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To cbet or not to cbet, that is the question

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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 123 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 127 BB (VPIP: 17.78, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
BB: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 21)
UTG: 113 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 6.25, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (CO): 146 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ K♦

fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) T♦ 8♣ 3♣
MP checks,

Spoiler

Hero bets 9.5 BB, MP calls 9.5 BB

Turn: (38.5 BB, 2 players) A♦
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (38.5 BB, 2 players) J♦
MP checks, Hero bets 16 BB, fold

Hero wins 37 BB

To cbet or not to cbet, - that is the question.
Whether ´tis nobler in the mind to suffer
the thought of villains bluffing you
or to take arms against a sea of combos,
and by cbetting end the hand (maybe)?

Do you think the fact I hold the A♣: is an argument for cbetting gainst a tight player or against it? How about a looser opponent?

Also, in this hand, should I have valuebet the turn instead of the river? Or both?

Thx for your thoughts.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

You forgot to post the hand


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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

Sry, I have edited the post. I was lost in the poetry...


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would say, not to cbet
Cbetting might not be bad but really it might not accomplish much. When we think of mp's calling range and your Ac, I would say he doesn't have many flush draws. So with a cbet you would fold out his air but some part of his range will call.

As played, I would bet the turn instead of river.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Bet flop. On the river your equity dramatically improves and you....... check. Why? Bet!


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Dre4mBl00d
Joined: 28.10.2016

Originally posted by la55i
I would say, not to cbet
Cbetting might not be bad but really it might not accomplish much. When we think of mp's calling range and your Ac, I would say he doesn't have many flush draws. So with a cbet you would fold out his air but some part of his range will call.

As played, I would bet the turn instead of river.

I agree with you. But on the river do you check behind?

And briccius, nice poetry kkkkkkkkkkkk


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

When in position and they check to you, you have to consider few things when you decide to cbet (when you have no showdown).
- your perceived range (how the opponent think you have connected)
- flop texture (dry/wet)

The more your opponents think you have connected the more they will fold. (Say you raise from cut off, flop is K74 rainbow. Is good flop for cbet)

The dryer the flop the less likely your opponent flopped something (draw, middle pair...) the more inclined they will be to fold.

Here the flop is rather wet (flush draw+middling cards) and it does not really hit your range. So your cbet will not get enough folds, better check behind.

Also consider you have some showdown value. AK might be the best hand. So it is another reason to check behind.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I agree that we can skip thw flop cbet.
Betting turn is obvious.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by Dre4mBl00d

Originally posted by la55i
I would say, not to cbet
Cbetting might not be bad but really it might not accomplish much. When we think of mp's calling range and your Ac, I would say he doesn't have many flush draws. So with a cbet you would fold out his air but some part of his range will call.

As played, I would bet the turn instead of river.

I agree with you. But on the river do you check behind?

And briccius, nice poetry kkkkkkkkkkkk

On that river card, definitely yes. He can have some slowplayed better hands and he probably doesn't have very many weaker hands that will call one more bet on this river. So when we have an option to close the action and see showdown, we take it :)


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