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I'm here for one reason only and that's to improve my poker skills to well above amateur, recreational poker players. Ultimately with the aim of poker becoming my main source of income. Now before people laugh and tell me that's not possible, and saying you'll have a better life sticking to a normal 9 to 5 job. Then stop right there. My situation is I've just become unemployed with a small leaving present, shall we say, which is a decent starting bankroll.

So with that in mind, I'm seeking people who are serious about studying poker and all of it's intricacies. Are there any people here who consider themselves to be mature and skilled poker players that could show someone like myself that historically has broken even and is a fairly basic ABC player and who's currently being swamped by information.

It seems to me presently that I need to start with hand reading, which after listening to podcasts, reading blogs and watching videos is a fine art and very difficult to do well. Involving all kinds of thought processes of why someone is doing what they appear to be doing and what to do about that to win money off them. Along with that comes understanding what I'm doing and why and what I'm intending on doing preflop, the flop and both streets, depending on other players more so than my actually hand, especially when we are talking about low stakes cash games.

Anyhow I'll cut this short, basically I'm looking for some guidance on what to study and how to study as it's a minefield of scams, pseudo science and nonsense. I've been in this situation before when I first took up Golf and at the start it becomes information overload and you just don't know what to study and understand first.

At this stage paying for coaching isn't probably a good idea because my skill set is currently average recreational player and I've never studied poker.

Please move to Successes and challenges, I've posted this in the wrong thread.


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AgapieGheorghe
Joined: 10.07.2011

Hi badbud ( you didn´t post your name ). Wellcome. You should talk a bit about your poker knowledge, what did you played or what do you play now ? SNG, MTT, Cash ?

Anyway you can find a lot of good stuff here on Pokerstrategy just let us know what you play so we can guide you on the forum.

Good luck :f_drink:


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Catonthemat
Joined: 01.08.2016

I found picking one source and sticking too it helpful. As multiple sources tend to contidict each other. I am currently following grinders manual. But I'd suggest picking a source that you like/enjoy.

As for hand reading I have been using a website called boss ranger which let you guess ranges on each street. Then also made my own spreadsheet so I could do similar with my own database.

Wish you best of luck with you journey.


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luckydont
Joined: 05.08.2008

You said u have some experience already. Decided you want to make it your main income. That's a good start. Not many people these days believe its possible at all.

1) It's time for you to decide which game you want to play ( most profitable, most interesting, with acceptable level of variance and which will still be running in few years time).

Narrow it down to 1 discipline, 1 format

6 max NLHE cash
6 max PLO cash
NLHE HU cash
etc...

2) try to play it (if you haven't yet), lowest stakes is ok . See and feel if you like the dynamics, speed of play, etc.
3) find blogs of successful players of this discipline, see how they think, what they write about, what challenges they face, how they solve it.

Weigh all pro's and con's. Choose one game.

4) Make a commitment to study and play this one game for 60 days (or more).

5) Plan your study and play hours. 50 / 50 split is probably good for beginner.
Start small, 2 hours play and 2 hours study, and see if you can follow it even for 1 week. Then increase.

6) Play Evenings and Weekends of the main donating country for your poker room.

Your mind will likely to wander around looking to play much more than study, or play some other games, etc...
not to mention downswings, tilt issues, etc... Follow the plan no matter what.

6) Make a blog and post short notes of what have you done every day, what was difficult, what mistakes you make, things that make you tilt. Put your thoughts into physical form. Reflect.

In regards to study, before clicking any of those buttons (it's usually only 3 buttons hey! ) you need to know exactly why you are doing this.

You need to answer 3 simple questions:

0) what's the Math here?
Pot odds I am getting or giving. Outs. Combinatorics. How much equity I need to make my call profitable? How much Fold equity I need to make my bluff profitable?

1) What's the range of the Opponent (s) ?
2) How is he gonna play with each part of his range?
3) what is the best way to play my hand against his ranges (1) and against the way he's gonna play his ranges (2)

have this answer for every decision you make, and you will thrive in no time.

All the best.


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Originally posted by AgapieGheorghe
Hi badbud ( you didn´t post your name ). Wellcome. You should talk a bit about your poker knowledge, what did you played or what do you play now ? SNG, MTT, Cash ?

Anyway you can find a lot of good stuff here on Pokerstrategy just let us know what you play so we can guide you on the forum.

Good luck :f_drink:

I started playing poker around 2008, mainly in MTT's where I won £3.5k, then I mostly played 6-MAX Sit and Go's. I tried low stakes cash games, but that turned out to be a terrible idea, I probably lost £500 to £1k there, as I foolish went chasing after my losses. I stopped playing around a year later. As to my experience level, lets just say this is the first time I've actually thought about poker as an intellectual challenge and started to get inspired by studying it a see where it takes me.

Originally posted by Catonthemat
I found picking one source and sticking too it helpful. As multiple sources tend to contradict each other. I am currently following grinders manual. But I'd suggest picking a source that you like/enjoy.

As for hand reading I have been using a website called boss ranger which let you guess ranges on each street. Then also made my own spreadsheet so I could do similar with my own database.

Wish you best of luck with you journey.

I agree, but which sources? How do you know it's a good, bad or indifferent source? At my level of experience it's easy to be fooled by people talking about poker strategy in what appear to be intelligent ways, but in reality what they are saying are old wives tales. Same experience I had when I first started golf, so I'm more choosy this time around? For instance people have recommend DuecesCracked for it's vast collection of training videos, however on further investigation, the forums are mostly dead and a lot of material is now considered outdated. I've found this with a few other training sites, I usually check the forum posts, how many recent ones, and any news threads,, how old are they?

At the moment I'm looking at Advanced Poker Training, the intro video makes me squirm, which isn't a goo start, but before I make a verdict I'll go through there free materials.

Boss Ranger looks interesting, so I'll have a play with that, thanks.

Originally posted by luckydont
You said u have some experience already. Decided you want to make it your main income. That's a good start. Not many people these days believe its possible at all.

1) It's time for you to decide which game you want to play ( most profitable, most interesting, with acceptable level of variance and which will still be running in few years time).

Narrow it down to 1 discipline, 1 format

6 max NLHE cash
6 max PLO cash
NLHE HU cash
etc...

2) try to play it (if you haven't yet), lowest stakes is ok . See and feel if you like the dynamics, speed of play, etc.
3) find blogs of successful players of this discipline, see how they think, what they write about, what challenges they face, how they solve it.

Weigh all pro's and con's. Choose one game.

4) Make a commitment to study and play this one game for 60 days (or more).

5) Plan your study and play hours. 50 / 50 split is probably good for beginner.
Start small, 2 hours play and 2 hours study, and see if you can follow it even for 1 week. Then increase.
Play Evenings and Weekends of the main donating country for your poker room.

Your mind will likely to wander around looking to play much more than study, or play some other games, etc...
not to mention downswings, tilt issues, etc... Follow the plan no matter what.

6) Make a blog and post short notes of what have you done every day, what was difficult, what mistakes you make, things that make you tilt. Put your thoughts into physical form. Reflect.

In regards to study, before clicking any of those buttons (it's usually only 3 buttons hey! ) you need to know exactly why you are doing this.

You need to answer 3 simple questions:

0) what's the Math here?
Pot odds I am getting or giving. Outs. Combinatorics. How much equity I need to make my call profitable? How much Fold equity I need to make my bluff profitable?

1) What's the range of the Opponent (s) ?
2) How is he gonna play with each part of his range?
3) what is the best way to play my hand against his ranges (1) and against the way he's gonna play his ranges (2)

have this answer for every decision you make, and you will thrive in no time.

All the best.

That's a great list of recommendations, thanks. I've been chewing over creating a blog, I've one several before, one on Golf, and one related to my work as a software tester. Both times have been valuable, as you say it gives you a goo opportunity to reflect of what you've done good or bad. I'll get one created soon. I don't want to rush, so this month is going to be spent determining what I really want to do and how I'm going to do that with regards to poker. Which will be my first blog post. Or more than likely the content of several posts as there are many hurdles to overcome.


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