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Playing made hand OOP as PFR on drawy board

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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

Hi !
There are some spots I am quite unsure how to play well.
Say we raise, and get a caller who has position on us.
Example
K♣:J♣: from MP, we bet 3 bb, btn calls, blinds fold.

flop pot is 7bb, we bet 5bb, btn calls
K♠:J♦:5♦:
turn pot is 17bb, we bet 13bb, btn calls
3♠:
river pot is 43bb
T♦:

So that's it we had a strong made hand, they called us twice and now on the river almost all draws complete.
How is it better to play it? Check/call, bet 60%/fold, bet35%/call, even check fold sometimes?

I guess it depends a lot on opponent, I noticed some short stacks in similar situations almost always shove when checked to, or raise when I bet small.

What part of their turn calling range are draws? How much often do they bluff river?

Thanks in advance :f_cool:


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Tough spot indeed.
I checked this with Snowie and it would recommend to check OTF. That might make sense when you are OOP. I guess Snowie thinks BTN won't have soo many drawing hands when he just calls MP open and you block Jx and Kx. It recommends to check 95% but betting has the same EV.
Turn is fine.
OTR it is a difficult decision and my personal thoughts are both betting and check folding should be ok. If you bet, bet small and fold vs a raise. Snowie would bet 25% of the pot but it has only slightly higher EV than checking. If you check and villain bets 1/2, Snowie would call but it is only EV 0.33


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

Cool ! Thanks for taking the time to answer. That's weird tho because if I am the vilain, I probably bet big when I bluff and make it half pot or less when I have it to that they can pay me with a king.
Given that if we ever bluff catch here, we might have to call some big bets too.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

I think we have value bet here - he has KQ, KT, some AK, QT, JQ in his range and not so many FDs, since J and T♦ are down, plus he might be semi bluff raising sometimes with FD OTF or OTT. Maybe 1/2 pot bet river.


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

I have been giving a second thought to that situation. When he call turn he either has a made hand, or a draw. When the river card completes the draw either way:
- He had a made hand and will be happy to take a showdown (he never bluffs a made hand here
- He had a draw and he made his hand

So I think snowie advice makes perfect sense, bet 35%, in first case he will call, in second case he will raise and we can fold. Actually I think they never bluff in that spot.


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leonardozen
Joined: 24.04.2007

Originally posted by SuperChompa
I have been giving a second thought to that situation. When he call turn he either has a made hand, or a draw. When the river card completes the draw either way:
- He had a made hand and will be happy to take a showdown (he never bluffs a made hand here
- He had a draw and he made his hand

So I think snowie advice makes perfect sense, bet 35%, in first case he will call, in second case he will raise and we can fold. Actually I think they never bluff in that spot.

Honestly I think it depends on the villain ... If his AGG river is much above average it's a perfect spot for him to bluff. I agree with # la55i, snowie has great resolutions .... but good interpretations of stats, and good notes are irreplaceable ....


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racenutalways
Joined: 03.07.2008

I agree with leonard, if opponents river Afq is 40%+, I often check cry call river. If Afq is below 30% I bet 1/2p and fold to any aggression encountered.


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