KK vs 4bet preflop.

I also have this note on villain:
P 4Bet+ range {AA} (3)

What does that mean? He has 4bet AA 3 times? Out of how many?

I would never fold KK pre without a very good reason.

Why do you 3b if you are to fold vs aggression?

Well, I actually like the fold. We are in late pos., villain is in early pos. This means that when we 3bet, we already show strength and our range is pretty tight, right? And the guy, who seems not to be 3betting, 4betting much 3 bets us OOP with quite big sizing. Imo, he has AK, KK+ and against it we have 47%, considering rakeback, we lose there.

Actually I just calculated it and if we really have 47% equity and we have already invested 21bb, we are making profit with a shove here.

Originally posted by nitrol
Why do you 3b if you are to fold vs aggression?

My reasoning was to not give a cheap flop and get some more information.
Would it be more reasonable to call with that mindset? I can only see a fold if an ace hits, which probably would cost me more without more information?

Originally posted by nitrol
Well, I actually like the fold. We are in late pos., villain is in early pos. This means that when we 3bet, we already show strength and our range is pretty tight, right? And the guy, who seems not to be 3betting, 4betting much 3 bets us OOP with quite big sizing. Imo, he has AK, KK+ and against it we have 47%, considering rakeback, we lose there.

That was my though as well, but I even went so far to put him on AA and decided to follow my gut feeling this time.

Originally posted by la55i
What does that mean? He has 4bet AA 3 times? Out of how many?

I would never fold KK pre without a very good reason.
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Actually I just calculated it and if we really have 47% equity and we have already invested 21bb, we are making profit with a shove here.

Good point, I will include more information next time.
I thought my reason was good enough to fold this time, but seems like I need to reconsider.

I did expect to get shorter answers than this, so I am happy it was worthy of at least some discussion.
As always, much appreciated.

Thanks for your feedback, guys!

My reasoning was to not give a cheap flop and get some more information.
Would it be more reasonable to call with that mindset? I can only see a fold if an ace hits, which probably would cost me more without more information?

Your hand is the 2nd best preflop. What information you want to collect? If you 3b , you have to go all the way!

Originally posted by nitrol
Your hand is the 2nd best preflop. What information you want to collect? If you 3b , you have to go all the way!

Yeah, you are right. I kind of realized as I was typing. ♦

I like how you always reply with a question instead of saying what you think. It makes us think about the hand again, but in a different light. Very pedagogic.
Thanks again and keep it up!

Cheers!

Well, that is how I learned and I hope it is good for you too.
It is easy to tell you - shove here, but when and why to do so you will not know untill you lose some stacks...

I could be wrong but I think he did read your position and then decided to 4-bluff with some middle pair putting you on AQ-AK. The limp raise movement from UTG don't seem to be very profitable longterm. Specially in NL2 where limpers limp vigorously.
In my opinion is a clear call. Your are committed and the numbers you posted give you EV+. The stat you posted only reflects that he did 4-bet AA 3 times and you see them, but I'm sure that he has to have a wide 4-bet bluff range.