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Top2pair OTR vs bet - do we go for moar value?

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Guthans
Joined: 16.12.2009

Hey,
So, I chose to limpalong Q8o IP here, probably alittle dodgy but in the spot OTR I was worried about reraising as I only really see him calling it off with trips and the random 65s. Villain(30/22) openlimps UTG which should be mostly smaller pockets and some suited combos, which kinda crush me on this river, right?
Obviously I'm never folding but can I ever expect him to have something like a lower 2pair here for value or do we just call it off like I did and cry abit when we see his hand?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1 Buy-in (1,250/2,500 blinds, 380 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37647914

Hero (CO): 262,709 (105.1 bb)
BTN: 60,396 (24.2 bb)
SB: 80,881 (32.4 bb)
BB: 181,772 (72.7 bb)
UTG+1: 48,674 (19.5 bb)
UTG+2: 51,602 (20.6 bb)
MP1: 113,808 (45.5 bb)
MP2: 44,196 (17.7 bb)
MP3: 32,140 (12.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q♠ 8♣
2 folds, MP1 calls 2,500, 2 folds, Hero calls 2,500, BTN folds, SB completes, BB checks

Flop: (13,420) 4♣ Q♦ 3♠ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets 4,697, SB folds, BB calls 4,697, MP1 calls 4,697

Turn: (27,511) 7♣ (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

River: (27,511) 8♦ (3 players)
BB bets 12,105, MP1 folds, Hero calls 12,105

[/hand_history][replayer=37647914][/replayer][/converted_hand]

For some reason it doesn't show but he had Q7o :f_grin:


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samni
Joined: 06.08.2009

You shouldn't be in this spot as you should fold preflop. Knowing that already gets us a long way.
As played I don't know why we shouldn't raise? It's the BB betting out on the river and he can basically have any twopair here and bet it out because he can be damn sure it's good. We, having top two basically have the nuts then so it's a clearcut raise on the river for value. Is he has 56s or a pocket pair (which should be 33 or 44 as he would raise 77/88 preflop and probably fold those on the flop if he is too passive to raise those pre) then good for him right. As played he might even think his QJo is good here as, given the action on the turn, no one is really interested in the pot.


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Guthans
Joined: 16.12.2009

Thanks alot Samni!


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

What's your reasoning for cb in this spot, makes no sense, we won't get more then 1 street of value, I would rather play this as a bluffcatcher on the flop / turn. I agree with the statements Samni makes.


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Guthans
Joined: 16.12.2009

@Saren113
Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't considered not cbetting when looking at it after.
As you say I don't see much reason for a cb either, that'll only get us into harder spots OTT/R and as said I can only ever hope to get one street of value. Should have been checked through, I think.


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Kinghu
Joined: 27.09.2016

Agree with samni fold pre flop

As played raising the river makes most sense there is very little you could be behind, and enough that would call a value raise.


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