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biogas
Joined: 22.07.2010

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $7.91 (79.1 bb)
BB: $10.34 (103.4 bb)
UTG+1: $17.57 (175.7 bb)
UTG+2: $7.87 (78.7 bb)
MP1: $1.57 (15.7 bb)
MP2: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
Hero (MP3): $13.82 (138.2 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb) 39/28/3bet 25 over 18 hands
BTN: $10.87 (108.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q♦: Q♠:
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.29, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.60, CO calls $1.70

Flop: ($5.35) 4♣: 9♥: 5♦: (2 players)
Hero bets $2.35, CO raises to $7.40 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results:

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$10.05 pot ($0.45 rake)
Final Board: 4♣: 9♥: 5♦:
Hero mucked Q♦: Q♠: and lost (-$4.95 net)
CO mucked and won $9.60 ($4.65 net)

Pre: standart open. I decided to 4bet him as villain looks like maniac from stats (even though small sample)
OTF: his call of my pre 4bet did not look very strong, so I go for value line. As he pushes, I have to guess if he was slowplaying KK+ pre, and now decided to go for value or he is on a pure bluff (thats whats expected form maniac).


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What are his stats?...
Better call .


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Stats are only based on 18 hands (39/28/3bet 25) and I don’t think you can give him credit for KK+ alone on the flop and I would stack off for sure or you have some reliable reads on him and that’s unlikely.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Imo there are no hands that would make perfect sense. He probably would shove KK+ pre. He probably shouldn't call 99.
Still I think 99 is the most likely hand and there still might be some slowplayed AA in his range.

I don't think he should be shoving very often as a bluff because he doesn't have so good fold equity. Hero needs only 25% equity to call.
I don't know what hero's 4betting range is but thoretically hero has to defend about 50% of his range here. QQ might not be in that range and even if it was I think we can adjust and overfold because villain probably isn't balanced but is value heavy?

On this board your range should be a lot stronger than villains. I think you could even check OTF or if you bet, bet it could be smaller. You can easily get it all in by the river even if you check because it is a 4bet pot. Betting is still fine though.
Calling villains shove looks tempting but QQ should be close to the bottom of our range here?


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Horrible fold otf


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Hand sample is too small to base your decision on that.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by Dadramel
Horrible fold otf

Why is it horrible? We are playing with narrow ranges here and we should assume villain knows this. I don't see villain shoving with many weaker hands.
The amount we have to call is small -> we have to defend a lot, but because our range is narrow QQ might not be in our defending range. That is if we look at this theoretically. And if we want to do some adjustments, I believe it should be to fold more, not call more.


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