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rvnikauj
rvnikauj
Joined: 03.02.2017
Posts: 281
05.03.2017, 22:13

PokerStars - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 40.5 BB (VPIP: 28.16, PFR: 17.48, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 103)
BB: 50 BB (VPIP: 42.27, PFR: 3.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.91, Hands: 227)
CO: 222.5 BB (VPIP: 24.29, PFR: 19.63, 3Bet Preflop: 6.42, Hands: 619)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♦ J♣

CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10.5 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 32 BB, Hero calls 21.5 BB

Flop: (65.5 BB, 2 players) 3♠ 8♦ Q♣
CO bets 54 BB, Hero raises to 68 BB and is all-in, CO calls 14 BB

Turn: (201.5 BB, 2 players) 8♠

River: (201.5 BB, 2 players) 8♥

Spoiler

CO shows A♣ Q♥ (Full House, Eights full of Queens)
(Pre 43%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows J♦ J♣ (Full House, Eights full of Jacks)
(Pre 57%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
CO wins 193 BB

I think I should have went allin. I read the poker tracker note saying his range of 4bet is AJo+ (what I got to track) in 600 hundred hands.


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pokerboy198229
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05.03.2017, 22:23

I think the 3bet is standaard against the guy whotopens almost 20% of the time. When he 4 bets, we never call: we either 5bet if we dont believe him or we fold. On 2Nl against 20/20 guys is too much variance to commit all your stack with 99/TT/JJ: AQ is in the bottom of their range. I would flat 4 bet with KK/AA to create more winrate against the 99/TT/ JJ on low board when they fold to your 5bet shove preflop

Flop: well if you cannon get called by worse, would you still think shoving is the best option?


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rvnikauj
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05.03.2017, 22:32

Originally posted by pokerboy198229
I think the 3bet is standaard against the guy whotopens almost 20% of the time. When he 4 bets, we never call: we either 5bet if we dont believe him or we fold. On 2Nl against 20/20 guys is too much variance to commit all your stack with 99/TT/JJ: AQ is in the bottom of their range. I would flat 4 bet with KK/AA to create more winrate against the 99/TT/ JJ on low board when they fold to your 5bet shove preflop

Flop: well if you cannon get called by worse, would you still think shoving is the best option?

Based on the notes on the villain and the fact is a 4 bet pot I thought he was donking 99-TT, AK. It makes no sense, he is out of position why would he don't check/raise or x/c. So I just jammed hoping 99-TT, AJ, AK calling...?


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nitrol
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05.03.2017, 22:37

You are missing an important part of information here - it is not just a simple donk on flop. He bets big and leaves you 14BB behind, thus comitting himself.
He will not do that with 99-TT, AK...


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rvnikauj
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05.03.2017, 22:42

Originally posted by nitrol
You are missing an important part of information here - it is not just a simple donk on flop. He bets big and leaves you 14BB behind, thus comitting himself.
He will not do that with 99-TT, AK...

I see,
1. I called the 4 bet because I had position, so If he donks (I agree I don't see the bet left him committed) I can raise and end the hand there?
2. Better to just call to a 1/2 psb? 4 bet pots are expensive though


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YohanN7
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Joined: 15.06.2009
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06.03.2017, 13:46

Never take this line. I mean calling a 4-bet with JJ when only a PSB from all in (if you call). Position is totally nullified.


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