need a little input on this hand

Fold preflop. As played give up river.

I would also fold preflop. River I would overbet.

Fold preflop too. We will be in a big(mw) pot with a hand that rarely will hit SD. TP hands will be weak.
As played, I would fold river. He is betting vs2 and our hand is not ok to bluffcatch or bluff.

I see.. thanks for the input

I would play the same as you. An alternative line would be to check/raise the turn and give up the river if I don't hit.

I think you played it fine. Other lines are fine too. Folding preflop to a small raise and a caller is boring, but okay. GingerKid's (whom I really do respect as a poker strategist) river advice is utterly dangerous (super-exploitable) taken generally, and presupposes your opponents are unaware that you do such things, but perhaps profitable. You might even fold out A5.

Originally posted by YohanN7
I think you played it fine. Other lines are fine too. Folding preflop to a small raise and a caller is boring, but okay. GingerKid's (whom I really do respect as a poker strategist) river advice is utterly dangerous (super-exploitable) taken generally, and presupposes your opponents are unaware that you do such things, but perhaps profitable. You might even fold out A5.

Hi, whenever you want to exploit a player, you are open to being exploitable yourself, so it is "dangerous" as you say. Attacking weak ranges with big bets is very profitable at NL100, so if you want to have a solid winrate you have to attack aggressively population leaks. If you only try to play "unexploitable" style, you can't expect to have high winrate because rake is quite high. If you are totally bluff heavy in this spot as I would be initially, you can easily notice if villain called you with a weak hand such as A high, weak pair, so you can mark him and adjust. But for most villain's they would keep folding their weak range. Overbet on the river is printing money spot vs most regs at NL100, especially because you can represent very well 5x and stronger and flop was 3way so you should get more credit.

As you know, we have no basic disagreement. I am just warning for the fact that bluffing two people by double-barreling and overbetting river is a higher octane mix than e.g. over-c-bet bluffing in position on the flop versus one opponent.

Thanks YohanN7 & GingerKid

looks abit to risky to try the other side but i'll see how i can add it to my play.:f_drink:

It's still just a c/f on the turn given how many players are here and the board texture IMO.

the size on the turn is wrong. Either you should bet pot or overbet to represent 5x+ or bet like 20-33% to represent Qx.

Originally posted by GingerKid
the size on the turn is wrong. Either you should bet pot or overbet to represent 5x+ or bet like 20-33% to represent Qx.

I see...

Or you could bet in the middle to represent being hard to read. (This is what everyone always does preflop nowadays.)