shoving AK/QQ preflop

Talic

Joined: 04.01.2008

05.02.2009, 02:30 0

shoving AK/QQ preflop
I want a conservative opinion about shoving AK/QQ pf. on most NL25SH/ and also NL50SH

I tend to shove AK more often than QQ,

If I get 3bet from Rock (smth. like 15/13 and 4% 3bet) I call AK/QQ
If I get 4bet from Rock (smth. like 15/13 and 4% 3bet) I fold AK/QQ

If I get 3bet from "TAG" (smth. like 19/13 and 5,5% 3bet) I 4bet AK and call QQ
If I get 4bet from "TAG" (smth. like 19/13 and 5,5% 3bet) I shove AK and fold QQ

If I get 3bet from "LAG" (smth. like 26/16 and 6,5%+ 3bet) I 4bet AK and not sure if I 4bet QQ
If I get 4bet from "LAG" (smth. like 26/16 and 6,5%+ 3bet) I shove AK and not sure if I shove QQ

against wierd min 3/4bets from guys like 56/8 I tend to call/fold AK/QQ

does it have smth. to do with total AF?

or you can post me a link to an article (few pages long, it does not have to be a whole book)

thanks

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jubigti

Joined: 04.04.2008

Posts: 1,312

07.02.2009, 13:17 0

Hello Talic,

sorry for my bad english-skills, but i am from the german part of pokerstrategy and want to improve my english.

Do you know the pokerstrategy-equilator?

I just dont see why you push AK and fold QQ?
Either of them got nearly the same Equity versus Villains-Range.

Here one example versus an Tight 4bet/broke Range:

Villain: QQ+, AKs, AKo

Equity with AK:39,594%
Equity with QQ:40,207%

And remember you have many foldequity with your 4bet with QQ

You raise MP with QQ to 4bb an get an 3bet to 12bb + blinds 1,5bb

you can win with your 4bet 17,5bb because your opponent has to fold many hands fromt his 3betting range...

if he has 5,5% 3bet this means he 3bets nearly: 99+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+

and if you 4bet and hes really tight and call only QQ+,AKo+, hes has to fold: AQs,AQo,KQs,99,TT,JJ.

and you ever win 17,5bb ♦

and if youre opponets go broke looser, like:

villain: TT+, AQs+, KQs, AKo
Equity with AK: 45,662%
Equity with QQ: 53,511%

QQ is the better Hand because it Dominates TT / JJ and AK only got an coinflip vs. TT / JJ

i hope it helps a little bit.

Original von letmefly:
immer wenn ich bei der bank war und mir per neteller card etwas geld abhebe reib ich es an meinen titten

Talic

Joined: 04.01.2008

Posts: 1,846

07.02.2009, 13:31 0

with AK there is less KK and AA hand combination, that was my suggestion and my thought

jubigti

Joined: 04.04.2008

Posts: 1,312

07.02.2009, 15:45 0

Okey, but please ship it with QQ in the future, you have so many foldequity... use it

Original von letmefly:
immer wenn ich bei der bank war und mir per neteller card etwas geld abhebe reib ich es an meinen titten

Talic

Joined: 04.01.2008

Posts: 1,846

07.02.2009, 17:15 0

Originally posted by tonyffo
Okey, but please ship it with QQ in the future, you have so many foldequity... use it

basicly:

AK: 32% against KK (3), 45% against QQ (6), 7% against AA (3)
QQ: 57% against AKo (12), 54% against AKs (4) 18% against KK (6) and 18% against AA (6), 50% against QQ (1)

(x) = combinations of the hand

result: ??????

speculative: shoving range QQ+,AK+

QQ: vs. AKo, AKs,QQ,KK,AA

12x57%+4x54%+1x50%+6x18%+6x18%/29 = 40,2%

AKo (lets say): vs. AKo, AKs,QQ,KK,AA

8x50%+6x44%+3x31%+3x8%/20 = 39,05% (remember its AKo!)

ok.. so I discovered totally nothing, its the same (AKs is the winner tho)

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