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Should we call the limp reraise from shortie?

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pizdunar
Joined: 01.08.2014

UTG: 50.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♦ 7♣ 8♣ 9♣

UTG calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5.5 BB, fold, fold, UTG raises to 19 BB, fold, Hero?

If we're deep obviously it's a call with shorter stacks our implieds are gone but he still isn't that short so it's not like we get it in preflop. There will be 2/3 bet left on the flop. Is there any diff if he only has AA or also like ABBB/ABBxds?

Equities:

Equity Wins Ties
MP2: 40.91% 40.73% 0.18% { Td9s8c7s }
MP3: 59.09% 58.91% 0.18% { AA }

Equity Wins Ties
MP2: 40.35% 40.19% 0.16% { Td9s8c7s }
MP3: 59.65% 59.50% 0.16% { AA, ABBB, ABB9, KK, QQBB, AsKQs }

Pretty much the same.

Seems like T987 is really strong so probably it's a call no matter what? But what about weaker like T865ss?

Still strong:
Equity Wins Ties
MP2: 41.15% 40.98% 0.16% { Td6s8c5s }
MP3: 58.85% 58.69% 0.16% { AA, ABBB, ABB9, KK, QQBB, AsKQs }

OK lets say:
Now we have a fold probably?
Equity Wins Ties
MP2: 35.48% 35.02% 0.46% { KsQs9c8s }
MP3: 64.52% 64.06% 0.46% { AA, ABBB, ABB9, KK, QQBB, AsKQs }

Basically I just wanna see how someone being short stacked with strong range affects out preflop decisions in this spots when we have low implieds and also don't get it in preflop.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I’m no PLO player, but against a short stack this seems like an easy fold with mostly only straight potential with 3 :club: in your hand.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

Not folding for sure.

Could just limp pteflop, not hating raising it up though.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Call and play against AAxx on the flop.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by Kyyberi
Call and play against AAxx on the flop.

We only playing for 50bb effective and with calling you will invest 18bb already.
Not sure you play deep enough to make calls like this profitable.


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

The game is omaha, you have four cards. You need 33% equity to call, and you easily have that. Hand is good for cracking overpairs, and you know otf if you have low equity and can fold - opponent on the other hand must stack off every flop even boards where we crush him.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Well you can't really think that you need 33% preflop to call if there is chips to play for postflop. With that mentality you can pretty much call any hand in any situation preflop.

That hand has 40% preflop versus AAxx. If opponent was 19bb short, we would need 33% to stack off (which we have). Now when opponent has chips behind on the flop, we have better EV with implied odds. Now when opponent has less than a pot behind he will stack off on almos any flop.

After our 3bet, the EV of calling 4bet and making perfect decisions on flop against AAxx range is around +1-3bb. Marginal, but +EV.


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