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FR - QJs 3bet pot vs reg

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adasko99
Joined: 13.02.2011

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.33 (116.5 bb)
BB: $2.14 (107 bb)
MP1: $3.51 (175.5 bb)
MP2: $2.06 (103 bb)
MP3: $2.73 (136.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $4.93 (246.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J♥: Q♥:
MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.32, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.22

Flop: ($0.70) 5♣: T♥: J♦: (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.50) T♦: (2 players)
SB bets $0.86, Hero calls $0.86

River: ($3.22) A♥: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

What was your own though process during the hand and do you have info about the player?
This way we can give you better feedback. Without this info I would consider to fold pre-flop already and further I think you can call the turn with top pair, but it’s close. I don’t think he will bet to often 2 streets with worse than top pair.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We can fold preflop and save the trouble. We are last to act, the limpers folded so we can fold too.


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adasko99
Joined: 13.02.2011

The only info is: 12 tabling Reg (I play HUDless at the moment :f_cool: )

PREFLOP:
Fook, I just don't know how I can fold QJs preflop when I'm in position, vs SB 3bet from a reg.
SB is a position where people (especially regs) have the widest 3bet range - right?
FLOP:
TP+backdoors = I never fold to 1 CBet :f_cool:
TURN:
player pool loves to bluff paired boards in 3bet pots at late positions, so my plan here was to call Turn and reevaluate-most likely fold the River
RIVER = free showdown, happy days :f_cool:


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DocMuellfreak
Joined: 02.11.2006

I am with SDK and nitrol,

folding preflop saves the trouble. I don't know how wide his range exactly is. But given the fact, that he is playing 12 tables shows us, he does not think about his decisions too much. It is more like autopilot. The next thing is, the more tables a reg plays, the tighter his ranges will be, as he does not have enough time to think about every single decision. In my opinion his 3betting range might be JJ+ and maybe AJ+ or KQ. Im not pretty good in giving ranges, but I try. If his range really is like my guess, The pockets beat you, AJ beats you. AK and AQ hit a gutshot + overcards and KQ or KJ an OESD. So I don't think, he fold a lot until coming to river. This is a point that might be considered. Most of the time, he will barrel two times, making it expensive. Even iso the flop comes down with another high card, you have a tough spot.

As played, I agree in calling the Flop with TP + backdoors.

Turn: I also agree in your statement that the pool likes to bluff spots like this. He bets more then 0.5 potsize. And he is double barreling. We don't have any realistic draw anymore (except for the full house, that is pretty unlikely because of only four outs). Out top pair is quite good, but it is as well still kind of a false friend, since we are beaten by AJ and KJ.

My own experience is not a sample size, since I only played about 50k hands NL2 FR in the past months, I can hardly remember many multiple street bluff action by regs. In fact I don't remember any at all. Most of NL2 regs play pretty honest. They bluff on the flop placing their cbet, but they won't often double barrel.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

I also think that folding pre is a good idea. Villain is betting more than 3x your bet so you don't get good implied odds as well. As played, I would probably consider folding OTT since villain looks strong.
What hand did you put villain on OTT?


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MrQNo
Joined: 30.09.2006

I support folding pf, too. There is no top pair value in QJs after a 3bet. And you need better odds to call for a Straight or a Flush.

OTF, you see the problem with your hand. You have a kicker problem, and overpairs are very probable. You cannot fold, and you will pay a lot of money. Same is true OTT. Be happy with the river; with a low card, you would have to pay again.


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