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Tim128
Joined: 29.01.2017

Today I made 2 'hero' folds, but I don't know if they were any good...

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104.2 BB (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (SB): 168.6 BB
BB: 221.2 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG: 113.4 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
MP: 131.4 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 15)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 3)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♦ K♠

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) T♠ 9♦ 8♠
Hero bets 10 BB, MP calls 10 BB

Turn: (39 BB, 2 players) 2♥
Hero bets 20.6 BB, MP raises to 61 BB, fold

Spoiler

MP wins 76.8 BB
Rake paid 3.4 BB

And this one:

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 127.4 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 6)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.22, PFR: 13.51, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
BB: 101 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (UTG): 121.8 BB
MP: 191.4 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
CO: 114 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♦ A♠

Hero raises to 2.4 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.4 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.2 BB, 2 players) T♠ 6♦ 4♣
Hero bets 3.4 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 6.6 BB

Turn: (26.2 BB, 2 players) 6♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River: (60.2 BB, 2 players) 2♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 43.4 BB, fold

Spoiler

BTN wins 57.8 BB
Rake paid 2.4 BB

The first one (with KK) I think I made the right decision, but then again he can do this with so many draws... Like 2 spades, any J etc.

The second one is a lot closer IMO, I actually think I made an mistake here, since I beat some of his value range (JJ - KK, Tx), but he probably has TT or 66.

Any tips? By the way, tips on betsizing are very welcome too :P


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

Hand 1: Definitely folding. Board is about as wet as it gets. Especially with no info I'd just give him credit here.

Also I bet bigger on both flop and turn, like 3/4 pot.

Hand 2: I agree it's a lot closer. Again no info on villain so maybe he does this with Tx or JJ. In that case we are beat by only 4 combos so we should probably call. We don't have this info though.

Safest play (readless) is call turn and fold river but I don't think calling river will be too big a mistake. Not sure on this one myself though, would like to see what others think too :)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

KK is a fold for sure.

AA is closer. Theoretically I think river might be a call. On the other hand on this flop I don't see many bluffs and because of that imo good regs won't raise as value either. So I believe that villain might not be playing balanced and his range is value heavy here -> we can make an exploitative fold.
I checked this situation with Snowie and it thinks river fold and call are both break even.


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BadHabit1989
Joined: 14.07.2016

Good folds I think.
I am going with the approach from now on that I will just fold when i am very uncertain.
I'd rather make a bad fold than a bad call.

another question: Can we fold the Aces hand ever right on the flop? no right?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by BadHabit1989
Good folds I think.
I am going with the approach from now on that I will just fold when i am very uncertain.
I'd rather make a bad fold than a bad call.

another question: Can we fold the Aces hand ever right on the flop? no right?

Sounds good. Imo when choosing between calling or folding and you are not sure, it often is better to just fold.

And no, I don't think we can fold OTF. That would be quite weak. We need some strong info suggesting that villain only raises with nuts.


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

Maybe if he has a 1% flop raise over a large sample we can consider folding the flop. Otherwise no we never fold :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

#1 you can fold there. Board is wet and you can fold everything below top 2p.
#2 it is a matter of personal choice. If you call, make a note.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

First hand is def a fold. Second hand, I'd fold here on turn because not many hands would raise and keep betting so aggressively. No overpairs or 2p IMO.


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Tim128
Joined: 29.01.2017

Thanks all, it's good to hear that you think about the same as I do about these spots :)


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kingkenny17
Joined: 05.04.2017

Thanks for the analysis. It's nice to read the reasoned explanations.


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celsius84
Joined: 23.05.2012

THKS FOR THIS POST


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Shulya85
Joined: 21.02.2010

I cant play yet but I want WSOP champion


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ovatsuG21
Joined: 03.05.2009

Hand 1: Well played and pretty standart fold.

Hand 2: I would definitely call. The 6 on the turn block some flop sets and I've seen ppl overplay some AT JJ-QQ and slowplayed KK this way. There are also bunch of suited connectors and gappers with BD FD that could take this line (87s, 75s). I really can't see a fold here.


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