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[Closed] Bad beat or bad play?

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OK, as said in my previous post i'm gonna stop playing for a while and concentrate on the theory once again.
This of course also means to dig for my own weaknesses, so i'm gonna ask you to review some of my hands.

1)PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6♦, K♦.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9♦, 8♣, 8♦ (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (7 BB) T♣ (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

River: (11 BB) J♣ (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG folds, CO calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13 BB

check/call turn?

2)PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K♠, 6♠.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T♥, 6♥, 6♦ (5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 5♥ (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

River: (4 BB) 5♠ (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 5 BB

I'm not sure about my check on the turn here. After all i've got 3 outs for each - K,T,5 - (i don't have to care bout the flush if i'm calculating the outs for the full house) + 1 for the 6 - makes 10 outs, so with 4 BB in the pot it would have been worth a bet, right?
how do i have to discount the outs for the possible flush - i mean - after all, everyone who hasn't allready a flush, could have a flush draw, so every card in hearts that isn't a king would have improved his hand, but not mine.

I guess i was a little scared of a raise here, so i didn't bet. And what if i bet the turn, i player folded and 1 raised, - there would have been 7BB in the pot - would that have been a call?

Your opinions please?


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1) check/call turn, your raise would be for value if everybody calls, but it is not 100% sure. Your gutshot also isn't very strong and neither is your king. It is also very unrealistic that you could win the pot without a showdown.

2) You MUST bet the turn. You have got trips. Your opponents may well call with way worse hands and even if someone woluld have a flush you have 10 outs to beat him. There though is no reason to assume that one of your opponents has a flush since until the turn they have just done what they always do, they called. Loose opponents would call with as little as one overcard with such a ragged flop.
If you get raised on the turn, you should call down unless a fourth hear appears on the river, that doesn't make you a FH. Trips you should never fold without very good reason that you are beat and here there is absolutely NO reason to assume this. Thus BET Turn.