PLO5 zoom Betsizing = HandStrength discussions.

Perhaps you are right as played... BUT
I think you have a clear semi-bluff OTT and barrel river on hand 1. Hand 2 looks fine to me.

Im not surprised you are beat in hand 2 but hand 1 is a total mindfuck. The only boat that beats you in my eyes is QQxx.

Have you really played half a million hands on PLO5? Why no move up?

I have a lot of hands from PLO5z where river pot bet was a bluff. I think one shouldn't make big conclusions about the sizing, because the situation matters. Most often that pot bet bluff was situation where opponent had a missed draw (most likely a flush draw) and hero checked turn and/or river.

Originally posted by nsavov

Have you really played half a million hands on PLO5? Why no move up?

by 500k hands, I meant on the Micros. not only PLO5, I have played all zoom levels to be honest, But I have a very bad bankroll managment.. Thats why i got broke a lot of times, and restart from the Micros again.

Originally posted by Kyyberi
I have a lot of hands from PLO5z where river pot bet was a bluff. I think one shouldn't make big conclusions about the sizing, because the situation matters. Most often that pot bet bluff was situation where opponent had a missed draw (most likely a flush draw) and hero checked turn and/or river.

I agree with you.. situation where ppl bluff on PLO5 are when they have a draw, a scary card come on the turn and you checkbehind with you over overpair+ they usually attack the river when they miss thier draw. Now I am not saying that it is good to checkbehind to induce bluffs with bare overpairs. but maybe if we held some blockers... good to induce bluffs.

PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 137.4 BB (VPIP: 14.60, PFR: 10.79, 3Bet Preflop: 7.09, Hands: 326)
SB: 447.6 BB (VPIP: 23.57, PFR: 18.17, 3Bet Preflop: 6.65, Hands: 976)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.27, PFR: 12.42, 3Bet Preflop: 2.54, Hands: 2,105)
UTG: 150.8 BB (VPIP: 31.53, PFR: 1.97, 3Bet Preflop: 1.96, Hands: 208)
Hero (MP): 561.8 BB
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 31.19, PFR: 22.32, 3Bet Preflop: 9.01, Hands: 339)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♠ 9♠ J♦ K♦

fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.4 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.2 BB, 2 players) T♠ K♠ 8♣
Hero bets 7 BB, BTN calls 7 BB

Turn: (22.2 BB, 2 players) 7♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 15 BB, Hero raises to 66.4 BB, BTN calls 51.4 BB

River: (155 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 60.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 60.6 BB

BTN shows 5♦ T♥ A♠ T♣ (Full House, Tens full of Eights)
(Pre 34%, Flop 51%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows J♠ 9♠ J♦ K♦ (Straight, Jack High)
(Pre 66%, Flop 49%, Turn 78%)
BTN wins 265.4 BB

in this hand... Everything in me said it is a fold.. but I had to call....

First they take tiiiime, and than they get it in... didnt experience missed Draws here... not vs a 14/10 reg

It looks like there was already a lot of discussion, but moved your hands to our hand discussion board. There fits it better.

Cheers,
SDK1987

In general, the longer it takes time to make the bet, the less likely it is a bluff.

In that hand if hero had bet the turn and villain called, then his river bet after a check would most likely be often enough a bluff. But in that hand when hero raises turn and his hand is face up, and there is only 1/3 pot left on the river, that is rarely a bluff.

That's why it's dangerous to categorize thing like "river bet is never a bluff" as there is a huge difference in this hand how you get to the river.