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Tough river spot with a boat

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devilchn
Joined: 17.09.2014

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 219.08 BB
SB: 460.6 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 293.96 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 167.12 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 164.04 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
CO: 119.76 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 49) AF: 0.5

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4♦ 4♥

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.4 BB, Hero calls 2.4 BB, fold, BB calls 1.4 BB

Flop: (7.6 BB, 3 players) K♥ Q♣ 4♣
BB checks, CO bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

Turn: (19.6 BB, 3 players) K♠
BB bets 12.56 BB, CO calls 12.56 BB, Hero calls 12.56 BB

River: (57.28 BB, 3 players) J♠
BB bets 36.68 BB, CO raises to 100.8 BB and is all-in

I call pre because CO seems pretty tight and thus I get better odds to set mine. Flop favors his range a ton. I have a lot of good draws on this flop, that want to keep their equity (and not get 3bet) and keep the stack depth (for implied odds) for later streets. For these reasons, I do not want to have a raising range here. The turn favors COs range a lot. BBs lead makes no sense. I can't really imagine he is ever bluffing. Maybe I should raise here but both their lines seemed incredibly strong. My plan is to raise river here as I expect them to bet again.

On the river, I now get a little scared and have no clue what to do. In my opinion, BB is saying he has trips or better. It seems very unlikely he is getting a bluff past the CO. When CO raises for half pot he is definitely saying he has a boat here. Also, I can't imagine he is bluffing. Maybe he has 8combos AK but there are also 15 Combos of KQ/KJ/QQ.

How would you have played it? If you raise the turn and get 3bet on by BB or CO, what would you do?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

You discuss as if you are four-of-a-kind-mining on the flop. (Flop favors his range, keep their (yours?) equity, "keep stack depth for implied odds", etc)

What do you mean? Do you think you are beat OTF?


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devilchn
Joined: 17.09.2014

@Yohan: not at all. I ready to get the money in OTF.
However, I' m thinking about my range in general. If I raise a set here, I need bluffs to raise as well and I don't really find good candidates. My draws are usually pretty strong here (JTs, XXcc, AJs) so I do not want to get 3bet if I have a bluff. And my draws profit a lot if SPR remains higher 3way. Also, this flop favors their range in general which is why I want to defend my range passively.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Your reasoning for not raising the flop doesn't make any sense.
You are 3 way, with a very vulnerable set and need to raise with the intention of going broke.
You want to raise to charge draws, as well as getting value from KQ.
You have hardly any hands on either of the players, so there's no need for such in-depth thinking.
Boil it down to the basics: we have a set, it's a drawy flop, raise.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

The reasoning for checking flop is indeed not correct. You try to lure but we cannot lure villain unless we have a strong hand. As you indicated villain is mostly strong, we should raise flop and try to get it in.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

No way you're ahead on the river, KJ KQ, i've seen it before


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robstars7
Joined: 23.05.2012

You've over thought the flop. You should raise. You have the best hand a large majority of the time, you need to protect it against a club coming on the turn which may have u beat or kill the action if you are ahead, you need to charge the draws, and if you raise here think opp always thinks u have a set? nope he thinks you have a draw or sometimes KX , he might even think you have KQ but isnt good enough to fold.

Turn again i would raise and GII , its worrying there is still 2 in the pot but its a draw heavy board so i still cant say we dont have the best hand here a lot.

As played fold river, there isnt this action without a boat or set at least.

So raise flop. As played raise turn. As played fold river.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by devilchn
@Yohan: not at all. I ready to get the money in OTF.
However, I' m thinking about my range in general. If I raise a set here, I need bluffs to raise as well and I don't really find good candidates. My draws are usually pretty strong here (JTs, XXcc, AJs) so I do not want to get 3bet if I have a bluff. And my draws profit a lot if SPR remains higher 3way. Also, this flop favors their range in general which is why I want to defend my range passively.

Look, you have two opponents. Every :Ax:, every :Jx:, every :Tx: and every :club: spells trouble. Anyone having a GS, a FD, or two pair will play. Just raise and "worry about your range" another hand.


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