4 bet pot TP with AQ

Is there 0.35 in the pot OOT or theres something wrong?

Originally posted by robstars7

Pre , i felt i had been 3 bet a few times too many by this villain so i turn AQ into a bluff by 4 betting and know i have a decent hand if called.

The hand is too strong imo for CO vs BU 4bet bluff. The 4bet size is weird, small imo. If you expect enough fold equity, the hand is not so "decent" for post-flop play :). If you use such a strong hand for 4bet-bluff, what is your calling range?
That's why you don't know what to do. You bet for "protection" and you will be happy to win the hand on the flop. You can't be sure about AJo, Axs. You hope so...You can't fold, you can bet only for "protection" and if you decide to catch a bluff, which hand you expect to see here?
Just call pre-flop imo. That's it...

yes thats true maybe i should call the 3 bet here, just hate being oop in a 3 bet pot especially when i know how wide his 3 bet range is.

So as played its fine?

just in future call as too strong to 3 bet?

You can't defend from this position without calling range. Sad, but truth :). Yeah, many people will say "I prefer 4bet OOP, I can't call vs 3x 3bet OOP, this is so stupid, this is -EV for sure". OK, I want to see this wide 4bet range. Must be something, like 11-12% range. Madness...And we are still OOP. The people don't like to fold, as you can see.
As played it's fine, yeah. The other options are also fine ♦. And wrong in the same time. When you are "bluffing" pre-flop, with Ax and Kx hand, you must be prepared for this situation.
I have the same problems, like you do. And many others players. Maybe all of them, except maybe the nits. It is so hard to find a combos for value bet and for bluff catch. When the Ace comes.

Agree with you fully. I find its always tough when u use a decent hand as a bluffing range when you hit tp to approach the pot correctly, I think pot control is key when this happens.

Its true, look at what he called with, he prob would of called my turn shove with the ace i think. It shows how bad a large proportion of the players are. So i think tighter 4 bet bluff range range and just go for value. You cant bluff bad players.

The conversion is messed up.
It happens occasionally it looks like.

I see very often in the videos, how some of the coaches uses AQo, KQs for 4bet bluff. Versus the button. And when someone ask "Why with this hand", they say "Just hate being oop in a 3 bet pot especially when i know how wide his 3 bet range is". Your words...I really don't like that, but who am I to argue. This is so weird to me. I will try to explain what I mean, yeah, my English is bad, but I will try.
Let's imagine for the example this. Open raise 3x from MP, fold, fold, fold. He have 34 blinds stack. We are on the big blind. Situation will be just the same. If the Button (100bb) have linear range for 3bet. We can choose how wide to be his range for the example. Let's say 20%.
Now, which hand you prefer to 3bet and which one to call? Or maybe you don't want to call at all? Like this coach from the video. And also how big will be your size for 3bet? Which hand you will use for 3bet-fold?
I know one from the coaches. I mean I know his style very well. He plays NL500 profitable, I guess (not in PS), but he do some coaching on Nl25. And I know what he will do. He will 4bet AQo, AJo vs BU with 100bb stack. But in the other situation, the example, he will call AQo, AJo and will 3bet JJ. Why's that? Strange logic. And if I explain why this is wrong in the chat, I will look like complete idiot in the end. You can't argue with NL500 player.