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Waaaa!!! 4BB/100 after 65K hands. Upswing or skills?

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pdfbq
Joined: 23.05.2008

Hi. What do you gurls and guys think out there of my graph.
Am I having a massive upswing or do I start to understand how to play?

I think both :f_drink:


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Lazza61
Joined: 23.03.2011

Superb last 20k hands :fuckyeah:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It’s tough to say if you understand the game better or you in an upswing without seeing the EV line in your graph, but nice to see that you are winning more the last 20k hands :f_thumbsup:

Cheers,
SDK1987


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TurokRider
Joined: 21.10.2011

Your all-in adj profit seems about the same as your real profit so we could conclude you are not just running well.
Adding the all-in adj line and maybe your showdown/non-showdown gives us more info

Keep it up !


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

All-in adjusted doesn't tell the whole story. Hero can just get a lot of good hands pre and hit awesome flops, that wouldn't show in all-in adjusted. But those last 20k hands equal to about 12bb/100 winrate which I believe is achievable.

I think the easiest way to tell if you start to understand how to play is answer the question what are you doing differently?
Keep on grinding and keep us posted :f_thumbsup:


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pdfbq
Joined: 23.05.2008

Hi all and tnx for your input!

As you can see in the graph just before my upswing I had a steep drop of maybe even 7 buyins.
I changed my game there. I wrote about this before so I kind of copied it:

STOP calling BIG bets from players with fish stats without having a real hand!
FOLD to *real* aggression without having something.
Play MORE in position but ONLY when stats of opponents allow this.
Play LESS out of position.
Don't believe the fairy tale you can't bluff at 2NL. Most regs over there will lay down a lot, especially oop, but bluff wisely.
Do not C-bet everything.
C-bet as small as possible.. can look soooo scary! and, as a bonus, a turn bluff c-bet has become much cheaper.
When I get raised 'all the time' and I myself have nothing 'all the time' well.... that's what it is! The table has not been filled with Phil Iveys and durrrrs. Ops get all the cards, you don't, it will pass :f_cool:.

And as a bonus the graph of today with three winning hands

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 112.5 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 11.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
Hero (BTN): 107.5 BB
SB: 109 BB (VPIP: 23.67, PFR: 17.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.68, Hands: 423)
BB: 85 BB (VPIP: 55.17, PFR: 37.93, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 61)
UTG: 244 BB (VPIP: 29.82, PFR: 25.26, 3Bet Preflop: 7.03, Hands: 586)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6♥ 4♥

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 9♦ A♥ 3♥
BB checks, UTG bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB, fold

Turn: (23.5 BB, 2 players) 9♠
UTG bets 15 BB, Hero raises to 40 BB

Spoiler

, fold
Hero wins 51.5 BB

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 105 BB (VPIP: 24.48, PFR: 18.26, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 245)
UTG: 70 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 16)
CO: 165.5 BB (VPIP: 20.37, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 16.00, Hands: 55)
BTN: 128 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
Hero (SB): 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ J♥

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) 9♣ 6♥ Q♦
Hero bets 4 BB, UTG raises to 10 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB

Spoiler

, fold
Hero wins 28 BB

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP: 121.5 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 59)
Hero (CO): 103.5 BB
BTN: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 23.57, PFR: 17.37, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 412)
SB: 90 BB (VPIP: 57.45, PFR: 38.30, 3Bet Preflop: 26.09, Hands: 50)
BB: 259 BB (VPIP: 29.70, PFR: 25.22, 3Bet Preflop: 7.18, Hands: 575)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6♠ 4♠

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 7♣ 8♦ 2♦
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets 7 BB

Spoiler

, fold, fold
Hero wins 9 BB

PS The one that failed I'm not showing :f_biggrin:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Not sure I like those lines against random NL2 players. It’s good to know what’s your though process is. This time you are playing against regulars most likely, but even then I wouldn’t 3bet bluff too often on the flop with AJ or Cbet bluff against 2 players with only a straight draw.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

the only hand that is really spew is the second one. U have zero ekvity and u just spew raise there without much reason. Basicaly i wont even cbet that board with that hand since u dont have any ekvity against calling range.

Hand 3 is fine, hand 2 is close but i dont mind a raise there but dont expect to see fold from tps. People are way to stationary to fold those.


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pdfbq
Joined: 23.05.2008

Originally posted by SDK1987
This time you are playing against regulars most likely
SDK1987

For sure regs. Against players with more fishy tendencies never ever.
PokerStars sometimes is tough. Also sometimes the players that look fishy (small stack, preflop calling stations) totally know how to lay down a hand.
I have not seen a called 'all in' in the session above.

Originally posted by confidant91
the only hand that is really spew is the second one. U have zero ekvity and u just spew raise there without much reason.

Its the AJ hand I guess. The reason I played it like that was because he limped (while having 40/33/16 stats).
I guess he would have raised all his QJ QT Q9 hands and folded something like Q7 preflop.
If I was in his position with say 77 I would fold, probably even 78.
Now of course I know he can limp his AA KK and then I lost my 24bb. I just did not believe him then and there.


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