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Standard shove..or unnecessary?

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zednik44
Joined: 17.08.2017

This play might be better in a tourney than cash game but anyway wonder what y'all think :)

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
CO ($2) 100bb
BTN ($1.71) 86bb
SB ($2.88) 144bb
BB Hero ($2.42) 121bb
Pre-Flop: (0.03, 4 players) Hero is BB A♥: K♥:

2 folds, SB raises to $0.04, Hero raises to $0.14, SB calls $0.10

Flop: 8♥: 6♥: J♣: ($0.28, 2 players)
SB bets $0.27, Hero goes all-in $2.28, SB calls $2.01
Turn: T♠: ($4.84, 2), 1 all-in

River: 7♦: ($4.84, 2), 1 all-in
Final Pot: $4.84
Hero shows high card Ace
A♥: K♥:
SB shows a pair of Jacks
J♠: Q♥:
SB wins $4.67 (net +$2.25)
Hero lost $2.42


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R3CRUIT
Joined: 31.08.2017

Hey zednik44,

SB villain would raised with a wide range included because bet size was small. Because of this I totally agreed to 3bet here.
When the villain calls 3bet he could have value or bluff against re-steal and the average range that I considered for a unkown is around: TT-99, 55-44, AQs-AJs, A5s, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 76s, 65s, AQo, KQo and QJo.

Flop: I understand that villain hits some draws and pairs because of that I would consider just call, included because he donk bet pot (protection?). The call would be based only in our equity for flush draw or TPTK.

You cannot correlated to tournament because we play cash deep stack.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

You cant really make a big mistake unless you fold ofcourse...
Shoving is the easiest but you can also raise smaller and shove any turn that may put some pressure on his weaker holdings, or you can call flop and evaluate the turn. You are in position and will save a ton of money against sets when the turn pairs the board, while still playing mathematically correct otherwise. Thats why I think call flop is best.

In tournaments its different story. You should take the aggressive line against stronger players (thus lowering their edge and increasing their variance) or against stacks that you can put alot of ICM pressure against. Otherwise its better to play "small ball" by calling and playing your position. Anyway, ICM considerations will almost never be with stacks as deep as 100bb... :f_drink:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I don’t think shoving will work to often after the pot size donk bet of the SB.
I would most likely call and her-evaluate the turn on further action.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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pdfbq
Joined: 23.05.2008

I think shoving on flop looks too much like a semi bluff.

Calling flop and shoving turn looks so much stronger.
Fold when he shoves turn of course.


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