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worthy bluff or waste of money?

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DAYETTAY
Joined: 03.10.2015

Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $8.48 (84.8 bb)
BB: $10.60 (106 bb)
MP: $9.09 (90.9 bb)
CO: $10.92 (109.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $21.05 (210.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6♠: 5♠:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB raises to $0.95, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($1.95) 2♠: T♠: 4♥: (2 players)
BB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

Turn: ($4.15) 4♣: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.40, BB calls $1.40

River: ($6.95) 2♥: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.95, BB calls $4.95

Results:

Spoiler

$16.85 pot ($0.84 rake)
Final Board: 2♠: T♠: 4♥: 4♣: 2♥:
BB showed J♣: J♥: and won $16.01 ($7.61 net)
Hero showed 6♠: 5♠: and lost (-$8.40 net)

Pre flop: loose call to 3bet but I have position and a hand with disguised potential

Flop: FD+GS so not going anywhere. should/could I have raised ?

Turn: he checks to me and I am wondering what is best here; check back for free card and play fit or fold river, bet and fold out A high hands?

River: he checks again and I decide to bluff. he tanks long before finally calling. As he was tanking I started to realise that I don't really represent much and that any over pair and maybe even AT is going to have a hard time believing I have them beat here.

Any thoughts?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Pre a bit too loose for me but it is not terrible.
Flop quite standard. I don't think raising would be bad either but I prefer just to call here.
That turn could probably be played as a check too. Betting isn't bad but when you bet I would maybe make it slightly bigger.
That river bet seems fine to me. Yea you don't rep much but neither does villain. JJ+ and some Tx (if he has any in his 3betting range here) will probably find a call but how big part of his range really is going to call? I would say he is quite weak here.


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

Vs BB pre-flop borderline call.
I will check-back on the flop. If he checks, I will bet on the turn. The river is not good for bluff. Just give up.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

We can’t check back the flop, but I guess you mean the turn. On the flop villain makes a Cbet.
I would just give up pre-flop and as played I would check the turn and give up unimproved,

Cheers,
SDK1987


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

The river is not good for bluff. Just give up.

I wouldn't say it is that bad.

1) villain will have hands in his range that he will fold against a bet, and those hands usually beat a 6-high
2) if villain is not a total calling station we should always have a bluff range when we do bet

We don't rep much here. Our value range is probably TT,A4s,A2s (7combos). So if we want to have a bluff range, that should be about 3 combos. Hero's hand is a good candidate for a bluff because it has least showdown value and it doesn't block some of villains higher flush draws that much.


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EthereaL
Joined: 04.10.2008

Preflop your call is good, preferable to fold.
On the flop you should always be raising here, that is how you make money with this hand. You have 45% equity vs an opverpair on this board and the best way to realize it is to try to get the money in OTF.
As played, turn is a bet because of what la55i said.


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

Originally posted by SDK1987
We can’t check back the flop, but I guess you mean the turn. On the flop villain makes a Cbet.
I would just give up pre-flop and as played I would check the turn and give up unimproved,

Cheers,
SDK1987

Yeah, my mistake. Check-back on the turn. And still give up on this river. Too bad card to bluff.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

This is fold for me pre, I think this is just too wide. OTF calling is pretty standard, OTT I would definitely just x/b and play it passively, because that´s what works for me at NL10. Betting 1/3 there would work if he overcbets OTF imo and even if he does I wouldn´t bet on the fact he would fold his Ax. So maybe it would be smart to go for small bet OTT and then just bet big OTR (2/3 as u did), we create some dead money OTT (but we assume he calls there with some Ax). As played I think we have to bet the river and Im really surprised he called there, because if he cbets 2x I don´t think he should call OTT, so I can´t really see anything he calls u with, because Tx should cbet OTT imo. The other issue is, that I don´t know with what hands do u play this line? I can imagine some 66-99 betting 1/3 OTT, but why would they bet OTR? All in all, this is way too difficult line for me and I would just xb OTT and try to hit my flush.


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