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Should I have 4 bet?

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zednik44
Joined: 17.08.2017

I think this hand is played fine post flop (unless it isn't, please let me know :))

My issue is what to do pre flop. Villain is a 13/13 with only 10 hands on him, has not 3 bet as yet.

I felt like if I 4 bet and get jammed on I don't really know what to do, so I thought calling and playing in position was just a somewhat better move, but I did feel quite confused...Thoughts?

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
CO ($2.13) 107bb
BTN Hero ($3.61) 181bb
SB ($3.29) 165bb
BB ($0.88) 44bb
Pre-Flop: (0.03, 4 players) Hero is BTN Q♣: Q♥:

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, SB raises to $0.24, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.18

Flop: J♦: 9♠: J♠: ($0.50, 2 players)
SB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16
Turn: A♣: ($0.82, 2)
SB bets $0.40

Final Pot: $1.22
Hero shows
Q♣: Q♥:
SB wins $1.19 (net +$0.39)
Hero lost $0.40


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

VPIP/PFR dont tell us anything in 10 hands sample. 3bet stat has even less relevance.

From these positions QQ seems like a standard 4bet. You are 165bb deep and I'm not sure if this is deep enough for us to change that strategy yet :)


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Aver77
Joined: 06.05.2012

By my experience, QQ is not good enough to stackoff PF on NL2. Players dont 3bet bluff or call 4bet loose. And they shove only QQ+/AK (some players only KK+). So I think call vs 3bet with QQ is better option. You still can keep his range wider with call. 4bet is not bad at all, but I think call is better here. At least, you have position.

On NL5 it is more reasonable to 4bet, on NL10+ it is the best option for sure.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Well it depends a lot on villain but nowadays I think even NL2 players have some idea of poker strategy. That means they can 3bet quite wide SBvBTN even at NL2.
Also because NL2 should have more weaker players than any other stake I think we will more often see villains stack off with weak pocket pairs and something like AJs, KJo,JTs and so on...

So I wouldn't say that the population tendency at NL2 is to 3bet only QQ+,AK.


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Aver77
Joined: 06.05.2012

Okey, I have been playing NL for a long time. I agree, we can play loose against lot of fish. I just played bad this hands against regs (a lot of them are very tight on NL2, thats why).


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

This is also a 4 handed game and that makes it less likely someone will have a top hand as well I think.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by SDK1987
This is also a 4 handed game and that makes it less likely someone will have a top hand as well I think.

This is true.
I'm not sure if many NL2 guys are aware of this but when there are less players at the table they should play with wider ranges. Blinds eat the stacks faster so there should be more steals and more re-steals.. That makes this even more reasonable stackoff pre.


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GospodinZ
Joined: 12.05.2010

This is a 4 bet . You need to protect your hand by 4 betting,not to be called by crappy hands,also to see where you at ,make the pot bigger and win more money. If you get a 5 bet after or a shove,you can easily fold there. Dont always look on the stats of the opponent if you have just 10 hands on him and he 3 bets its even more realistic to 4 bet him. Its a 4 handed game so by my opinion this is a 4 bet.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I wouldn't say against a 5bet it is an easy shove.. If villain shoves with QQ+,AK we are about breaking even. I think we should include some random combos of JJ,TT,AQ,AJ etc.. in his range. That would mean it is a call.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

You played it absolutely fine.


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