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2 hands I honestly don't know how I should have played

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akerul
Joined: 27.02.2018

Hi guys,
hope your grinding is super.

I'm asking your help for these 2 hands, not sure if I should have bet the turn or slowplayed it in the first, and if it was that fishy to call his shove all-in in the second hand.
Thanks so much! GL at tables

PokerStars - €0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 105.4 BB
SB: 97.6 BB (VPIP: 20.53, PFR: 13.10, 3Bet Preflop: 2.59, Hands: 2,511)
BB: 125 BB (VPIP: 34.06, PFR: 17.90, 3Bet Preflop: 3.00, Hands: 2,408)
UTG: 118.6 BB (VPIP: 22.32, PFR: 18.10, 3Bet Preflop: 8.42, Hands: 6,019)
MP: 202.2 BB (VPIP: 51.46, PFR: 24.27, 3Bet Preflop: 11.90, Hands: 103)
CO: 230.8 BB (VPIP: 20.28, PFR: 16.41, 3Bet Preflop: 5.91, Hands: 2,427)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T♠ K♠

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) J♦ Q♠ 2♠
SB checks, Hero bets 7 BB, SB calls 7 BB

Turn: (33 BB, 2 players) 8♠
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (33 BB, 2 players) J♠
SB checks, Hero bets 18 BB, SB calls 18 BB

Hero shows T♠ K♠ (Flush, King High)
(Pre 29%, Flop 49%, Turn 84%)
SB shows A♠ K♣ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 71%, Flop 51%, Turn 16%)
SB wins 65.4 BB

PokerStars - €0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 184.4 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 23.09, 3Bet Preflop: 9.34, Hands: 4,690)
SB: 61.8 BB (VPIP: 34.62, PFR: 19.30, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 295)
BB: 177 BB (VPIP: 20.42, PFR: 16.53, 3Bet Preflop: 5.80, Hands: 3,002)
Hero (UTG): 284 BB
MP: 97.6 BB (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 13.28, 3Bet Preflop: 2.54, Hands: 2,665)
CO: 222.6 BB (VPIP: 22.31, PFR: 18.14, 3Bet Preflop: 8.55, Hands: 6,317)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♥ Q♣

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 5♥ 6♥ J♥
Hero checks, MP bets 9.2 BB, Hero raises to 18.4 BB, MP raises to 88.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 70.2 BB

Turn: (196.6 BB, 2 players) T♥

River: (196.6 BB, 2 players) 7♥

Hero shows Q♥ Q♣ (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 54%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
MP shows K♥ A♥ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 46%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
MP wins 185.8 BB


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

hand 1: Betting the Turn is the standard default option. So if you do choose to check, you should ask yourself WHY?
Is it because this guy will overbet the River 2X Pot and go bananas if you check the Turn to deceive him? If the answer is no, Bet the Turn.

hand 2: this is a classic example of over-estimating one's hand. Your hand falls in the Medium-strong category, so I think this is either a bet/call or a check/call (probably a check/call). Checkraising here isolates you against a range that has you beat.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Maybe good to remove the outcome of the hand next time or put it in a spoiler. This could influence the feedback what you get. Mbml gives you already good feedback.

I would myself bet the flop in hand 1 a little bit more like 9bb and bet the turn as well. Now you could lose value as well against most likely a weak regular based on his stats. Hand 2 I would fold on the 3bet on the flop. I doubt he would shove with less then a flush and you could be drawing dead sometimes.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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sdf256
Joined: 21.07.2016

Hand 1: bet turn, check river.
Hand 2: I wouldn't raise on the flop. Like Mbml said it's check/call in my opinion.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Hand 1: I do not get why you skip to bet on turn when you hit? You hit what you wanted and missed a perfect opportunity to extract value.
Hand 2: Just xc. The raise is too much...


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akerul
Joined: 27.02.2018

Thank you all for the answers. Yes, I slowplayed it, was pretty sure I would have won hand 1 and didn't want my oppenent to fold to my bet. He could have won only with As, and that was the case. But by betting there, I thought I wouldnt have called with a decent range. So I decided to give him a free card, he could have had the opportunity to improve to a set, two pairs or so. In that case my river bet would have been called. But I see know my mistake.
For the second hand I see the point, maybe I called cos from the HUD I saw my opponent was quite a fish, but that time he had the point. And yes, I definitely over-estimated my hand.
SDK1987, you are right, I didn't know how to cover the outcome, new here still learning how to set this questions. Thanks for the tips, I'll surely follow it next time I'll post an hand.

Thank you all again,
GL at tables


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sdf256
Joined: 21.07.2016

Originally posted by akerul
SDK1987, you are right, I didn't know how to cover the outcome, new here still learning how to set this questions. Thanks for the tips, I'll surely follow it next time I'll post an hand.
GL at tables

I had exactly the same problem . https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=2790530#post2790530 Here is a thread where I asked how to put the result into a spoiler.


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KatalonacX
Joined: 22.11.2013

First hand: OTT bet turn,OTF bet river,fold if raise.
Second hand: OTF raise is too ambitious,call is better, have a good price. Viliain 3bet only for value(AA,KK,AKs), you are always behind when he 3bet.


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