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AA in 3bet pot, turn move?

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Hi Everyone!

I think the turn only one playable way with me, push all in or check-fold. But check/fold is to weak, lot of draws and maybe villain AKos, KQos, QQ. And if i check he bets i can't just call, because i pot commited. Did i play well? Vilain stats about 1K hands: 18/14, 3bet 5.6, 3bet call 52 (21), raise 4bet 10 (21). WTSD 22 and wonsd 65%. But i don't understand why he didn't raise 4bet especially oop. And if board aces he folded and what is villain idea postflop? Or just call river.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5.31 (106.2 bb)
BB: $5.86 (117.2 bb)
UTG+2: $5.41 (108.2 bb)
MP1: $2.98 (59.6 bb)
MP2: $5.13 (102.6 bb)
Hero (MP3): $5.72 (114.4 bb)
CO: $4.55 (91 bb)
BTN: $5.35 (107 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A♠: A♣:
UTG+2 raises to $0.15, MP1 calls $0.15, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.67, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.52, MP1 calls $0.52

Flop: ($2.08) J♦: 2♦: 3♠: (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.33, UTG+2 calls $1.33, MP1 calls $1.33

Turn: ($6.07) K♠: (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $3.72, UTG+2 calls $3.41 and is all-in, MP1 folds

River: ($12.89) J♣: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$12.89 pot ($0.53 rake)
Final Board: J♦: 2♦: 3♠: K♠: J♣:
UTG+2 showed K♦: K♣: and won $12.36 ($6.95 net)
MP1 mucked and lost (-$2 net)
Hero showed A♠: A♣: and lost (-$5.41 net)


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

You can do nothing here. Bet flop, shove turn is the highest EV play there imo.

If I read it right, you can't check/fold the turn, because you are last to act, so you can only check back, right?


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GridironAssassin
Joined: 19.12.2014

Bet Flop, shove turn is only line. Cant’ be giving free river cards in this spot. 2 flush draws, straight draws, potential top and 2nd pair you don’t want to let hit trips for free. This is just one of those fun little trips on the variance train.


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Dandiiik
Joined: 19.07.2009

Well played, bad luck. Although I am not too happy shoving "just a pair" against 2 opponents in a 3bet spot. But I dont see any other possible line. You dont even block A high flushdraws which they might definitely have and you want them to pay for the draws.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Thank you very much.


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clovenhoofsdoom
Joined: 04.03.2016

Originally posted by Dandiiik
Well played, bad luck. Although I am not too happy shoving "just a pair" against 2 opponents in a 3bet spot. But I dont see any other possible line. You dont even block A high flushdraws which they might definitely have and you want them to pay for the draws.

He blocks the spade-nutflush.

And I'm not into fullring, but for my understanding 2 pair and middle set can only be in MP1's range, because he very well could call/call KJs or JJ preflop. So yeah, there is only 3 hands in UTG's which beat AA and in MP's range there arent any of these strong made hands after check-calling the flop. Bad luck. Maybe I'm completly wrong, that's why I play shorthanded :P :f_drink:

Btw: what does the "call 2 3bet 52"-number tell us - is UTG calling 52% of his open raising range (how big is it?) vs a 3bet? That's why I don't like tracker tools so much. In these spots you cannot open equilab to clearly think thru the ranges. You just have to do it with common sense and experience. Then you also have the time for adopting to villain live - for that you may not have the time if you at first look 15s on these fackin numbers just to get that you dont get it what they tell you.


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