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[Closed] (3/6) A9o in 3bet Pot. Turn play ?

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Full Tilt (Cash Game): $3/$6 FL , 6 players
Thu Mar 05 13:49:14 CET 2009
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Hero ($232.50)
BN ($85.50)
SB ($153.50)
BB ($60)
B3 ($318.50)
B2 ($267.50)

BN is the button.

Precards:
SB posts the small blind $1.50, BB posts the big blind $3.

Preflop: Hero is dealt A♥ 9♣ (6 active)
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BN folds, SB raises to $9, BB folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: T♥ 5♣ 8♥ ($21, 2 active)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: T♥ 5♣ 8♥ 8♠ ($27, 2 active)
SB bets $6, Hero calls $6.

River: T♥ 5♣ 8♥ 8♠ K♣ ($39, 2 active)
SB bets $6, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $38, $1 raked

Bad call on the turn ?


6 replies
Yoghi
Joined: 10.09.2007

I can't get myself to fold there either, he should 3-bet quite wide and because he is OOP we will bet the turn almost 100%.


How has the 3-bet stat to be read?

Is it % he 3-bets from the position or is it the % the raiser bet he 3-bet?

Here is it 11% (LP) or 15% (blinds)?

In my opinion it has to be 11% as his position is less important than your as your hand is stronger in an earlier position.

However. Against 11% you can fold the flop directly.

Board: Th 8h 5c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 29.164 % 27.849 % 2.630 % 69.521 % Ah9c
Spieler 2: 70.836 % 69.521 % 2.630 % 27.849 % 66+, A8s+, KTs+, ATo+, KQo

The river is a really bad card if he keeps betting his whole range.

Board: Kc Th 8s 8h 5c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 1.000 % 0.000 % 2.000 % 98.000 % Ah9c
Spieler 2: 99.000 % 98.000 % 2.000 % 0.000 % 66+, A8s+, KTs+, ATo+, KQo

Against 15 you can go for a calldown.

Board: Th 8h 5c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 37.415 % 34.088 % 6.653 % 59.258 % Ah9c
Spieler 2: 62.585 % 59.258 % 6.653 % 34.088 % 55+, A5s+, K9s+, QJs, A9o+, KJo+

The river is here as well a bad card.

Board: Kc Th 8s 8h 5c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 10.821 % 7.463 % 6.716 % 85.821 % Ah9c
Spieler 2: 89.179 % 85.821 % 6.716 % 7.463 % 55+, A5s+, K9s+, QJs, A9o+, KJo+

Adjusting his range makes it only worse. A few bluff might change it to 12-15% equity but I think he will play most A-high hands check/call and other worse hands are raely in his range so I like the fold.

Board: Kc Th 8s 8h 5c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 6.667 % 5.333 % 2.667 % 92.000 % Ah9c
Spieler 2: 93.333 % 92.000 % 2.667 % 5.333 % TT+, 88, 55, AKs, A9s, K9s+, QJs, AKo, ATo, KJo+


LP are CO & BTN.

Blinds are SB and BB ;)

However call down to catch a bluff ? right ?


I know what LP means. I just want to know how to read the stat.

And no it's a fold for me on the river. (As I said somewhere between all these equilations. ;))


Originally posted by ciRith
How has the 3-bet stat to be read?

Is it % he 3-bets from the position or is it the % the raiser bet he 3-bet?

Here is it 11% (LP) or 15% (blinds)?

it is the position from viilain do 3bet which, it doesn't depend of the position of the openraiser.

here is Blinds since he is in sb.

is this what did you want to know?

I know in the last updated of Holdem manager there is a new 3bet stat which you say %3bet depending of the position of the openraise.

I hope i had explained it well. :)


Yes thank you. The new stat should be very useful too. :)