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3 bet AQs OOP - against loose villain

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Sczcepanik
Joined: 17.01.2009

Villain was doing odd stuff, playing half of all hands I've seen on the table.
My vision was that his 3bet-call he could have Ax - Aj - Flush draws / straight draws by turn.

What would you've done different ?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 141 BB (VPIP: 19.12, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 69)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 103 BB (VPIP: 55.56, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 102 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ Q♥

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9.5 BB, fold, UTG calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (20 BB, 2 players) 2♦ A♦ 8♥
Hero bets 12.5 BB, UTG raises to 27 BB, Hero calls 14.5 BB

Turn: (74 BB, 2 players) 6♥
Hero bets 63.5 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 63.5 BB

River: (201 BB, 2 players) 8♠
Players agreed to run it twice.

River #2: (201 BB, 2 players) 3♠

Spoiler

Hero shows A♥ Q♥ (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
Board #1 (Pre 29%, Flop 16%, Turn 25%)
(One Pair, Aces)
Board #2 (Pre 30%, Flop 17%, Turn 26%)

UTG shows K♥ A♣ (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
Board #1 (Pre 71%, Flop 84%, Turn 75%)
(One Pair, Aces)
Board #2 (Pre 70%, Flop 83%, Turn 74%)

UTG wins 97 BB
UTG wins 97 BB


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Netgames999
Joined: 12.11.2006

I don't like the bet OTT.

Do you think K♦:Q♦: calls OTT?
Do you think K♦:Q♦: would bet OTT, if you had checked?
What about A♠:9♠:?

It gets really hard for weaker hands to call you OTT. After his raise OTF there are probably not that many left to begin with.


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Sczcepanik
Joined: 17.01.2009

My intention with the bet on turn was for him to have a tougher decision / force fold / call on a draw, while I still had equity to :heart: nut flush on the river if he had A8.
He would also have called the all-in with any A9-AT-AJ-AQ (I imagined he would 4bet pre flop with AK).

So I wouldn't consider A2. It would be okay if he had 22.
4♦:5♦: also got an extra 4 outs with turn. Other crazy stuff like 8♦:9♦: had to be put on massive pressure, that's why I didn't check turn.

- Would betting less change a thing?
- Check flop or check turn wouldn't be weaker / give him an unwanted free card?

If he limped and I were the raiser for 4bb PF, this would be a controlled small/medium pot, but as I 3betted a 40+ VPIP guy I went for the non-stop aggression.


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Shurikk
Joined: 21.05.2014

First of all

Spoiler

I didn't see the result of the game - it doesn't matter

As played - fold flop after his x/r :milord: (better was x/back flop and play tern-river: we have good hand, he have only few combos of FD - typical WAWB game)

as I 3betted a 40+ VPIP guy I went for the non-stop aggression.

but:

UTG: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)

1. PFR 24 - its OK.

2. 22 hands - not sufficient to analyze his range, especially in 3-bet pots...

He would also have called the all-in with any A9-AT-AJ-AQ

Why do you think so? After analyzing 22 hands he played? And would he x/raise flop with A9?

I imagined he would 4bet pre flop with AK

Once again - why? :f_confused:
As I see - 3Bet Preflop: 0.00 :pcuser:

We don't know his range because we don't have any information. We don't know what hands he open UTG, what hands are in the calling range after 3-bet and so on.. So his call and x/raise looks like doppers, 22, 88 and some combos of AKo (for example, I have some in the calling range and 4-beting also). But what flushdraws after calling 3-bet UTG OOP? I don't believe that he would call 3-bet OOP with 45s. 89s raise that Axx board? Doubt!

Agaist uknown it's a call preflop or small 3-bet (2.2-2.4x), check-back flop, check-call or bet turn-river...


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Sczcepanik
Joined: 17.01.2009

Originally posted by Shurikk
First of all I didn't see the result of the game - it doesn't matter

K♥ A♣

22 hands - not sufficient to analyze his range, especially in 3-bet pots...

I'm not using HUD or doing data analyses while playing, I'm playing few tables watching whats going on.

You sit in a table, and see a guy enter HALF of ALL the pots for FOUR orbits in a row, calling raises preflop IP and OPP, raising some of his own.
No-one 3betted in that table, people were happily entering pots with flat calls.

But what flushdraws after calling 3-bet UTG OOP? I don't believe that he would call 3-bet OOP with 45s. 89s raise that Axx board? Doubt!

He was in position, I 3betted from the SB.
First I consider in a general way "which cards people could 4bet me" at least - include AK-AA-KK-QQ.
He would have called in position with many Ax, As, all PP, some suited connectors, all the stuff he wouldn't 4bet.

Agaist uknown it's a call preflop or small 3-bet (2.2-2.4x), check-back flop, check-call or bet turn-river...

- Isn't very bad to call preflop and be OOP ? I 3betted 3x as I was out of position.
- So you 3 bet, check to give him the decision of a free card on flop, comes a :diamond: and the pot is busted.

If I were in position and he check-raised me on the flop, I would have fold indeed.


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Shurikk
Joined: 21.05.2014

He was in position, I 3betted from the SB.

Sorry, I've missed it.

You sit in a table, and see a guy enter HALF of ALL the pots for FOUR orbits in a row, calling raises preflop IP and OPP, raising some of his own.

If he looks like maniac, so why did you call his raise OTF? Just push all-in!

- Isn't very bad to call preflop and be OOP ? I 3betted 3x as I was out of position.

Usually - yes... But, there is a little exploiting scenario.. :f_smile: If we play with a fish (agrofish) HU (as only BB have to do smthg after us) and we know that he will overplay many TP any K or draw - we can call higher broadway and suited connectors:
1. Price is better, when we on the SB or BB
2. Sometimes BB will call also (we gave him good pot odds after calling on SB), so again - we did a good preflop pot for low price
3. If we hit our hand - fish will pay out all our previous hands that we had to fold (implied odds).

So you 3 bet, check to give him the decision of a free card on flop, comes a :diamond: and the pot is busted.

1. :diamond: will come only in 20 %! In 80 % you stand better on all other cards!
2. Do you know that he really has :diamond: :diamond: or will be bluffing on the :diamond: turn? May be this will stop him from betting?


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