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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $16.45 (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 19.19, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 108)
Hero (SB): $10.05
BB: $10.18 (VPIP: 22.52, PFR: 18.02, 3Bet Preflop: 6.74, Hands: 228)
UTG: $18.11 (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
MP: $10.21 (VPIP: 25.68, PFR: 20.77, 3Bet Preflop: 5.17, Hands: 190)
CO: $14.58 (VPIP: 39.13, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 24)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 9♦ 9♠

fold, MP raises to $0.23, fold, BTN raises to $0.84, Hero calls $0.79, fold, MP calls $0.61

Flop: ($2.62, 3 players) 3♦ 8♥ 8♦
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($2.62, 3 players) 6♣
Hero bets $0.60, fold, BTN calls $0.60

River: ($3.82, 2 players) 5♣
Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $3.00, Hero calls $2.40

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BTN shows A♣ 9♣ (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 34%, Flop 12%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows 9♦ 9♠ (Two Pair, Nines and Eights)
(Pre 66%, Flop 88%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins $9.38

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Bet turn small, don't want to give free equity to overs. Get a call, what's his range? .. he doesn't have overpairs here, potentially some missed draws, AK. we block a random 79s.
Decide to go for small value from AK on the river when we get raised. Here he's repping pretty much a missed AK QKs or 5's. Which wouldn't 3bet pre.

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xiaohetao
Joined: 29.05.2018

As played, I would call as well.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Why do you flat this preflop? It´s such an awkward call, now we capped our range imo, we are oop in 3b pot. I would bet bigger OTT (1/2-2/3), ppl call too much in MW pots and x OTR. As played he can still have 88, 66 (some of the time), 86, 65, 58, 97. OTR you are in spot where you can´t describe opps range, you don´t know pools tendencies there. My advice would be stick to what you know and keep it simple, because this R call would for me be guessing game - did I induce him vs ppl dont bluff there.


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

Originally posted by Mozzek
Why do you flat this preflop? It´s such an awkward call, now we capped our range imo, we are oop in 3b pot. I would bet bigger OTT (1/2-2/3), ppl call too much in MW pots and x OTR. As played he can still have 88, 66 (some of the time), 86, 65, 58, 97. OTR you are in spot where you can´t describe opps range, you don´t know pools tendencies there. My advice would be stick to what you know and keep it simple, because this R call would for me be guessing game - did I induce him vs ppl dont bluff there.

Pre, yeah kinda loose, we are capped, but this is NL10. Slightly +EV maybe.
I just don't think he has 8x in his range after he flats turn. We beat 56 & we block 79 (as stated). he could have 8's yeah, but that's about all he can credibly rep here along with 5's.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I am not saying it´s not +EV, I just think that postflop you will have hard times playing this, thus this is 4b or fold pre for me. My point about the river was that we simply don´t know frequencies of the raise that the pool has there, so I don´t like the fact we got into situation where I don´t have any idea if villain is capable of bluffing there.


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Talisker74
Joined: 17.08.2009

I guess vs. population you have to fold the river...

I guess betsize on turn and river is to small

Villain can float here any two.
With this sizing you Show weakness...


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

I don't like to call 99 on SB after a 3bet. If find it extremely difficult to play oop postflop.

Natural check OTF once you weren't the agressor.

Turn is a bet for both value and protection against the two diamond cards. You block a lot of straights with the 99.
With a small bet like that you'll see people floating with overcards, specially an ace, and try to steal it on the river. But I think a had that beats you or that was strong enough on that board is going to raise your turn bet most of the times.
In fact, 66/55 will raise you OTT because they don't want to see high cards appearing OTR, which could give you the best hand and beat them.

The river I think I'd bet again.
Because your river bet was small once more I'd see this raise as an attempt to steal the pot. As I said before, a hand that had potencial to beat you would play agressively OTT.
Therefore, I'd call the raise.

Note: Post the results of the hand, please.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

easy fold pre, oop against two regs not closing the action is not a good spot for set mining.
i like river, he can show up with 97s and 86s a non-zero amount of the time, but most people's range is going to be really capped and the sizing is small enough to look him up.


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

His river sizing and move doesnt make any sense. When regs make moves that do not make sense i call them down. If this was a fish doing this i would insta fold but from this guy i expect tons of spew. What is he exactly representing - 55, quads ?

He never checks back the flop with 8x, flush draws or overpair vs 2 opponents. Then he only calls 1/4 bet on the turn. If he was strong he would already raise for value on the turn.


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