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Preflop AI - BTN vs BB - 98s

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Netgames999
Joined: 12.11.2006

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

Hero (BTN): $5.25 (105 bb)
SB: $5.54 (110.8 bb)
BB: $5.00 (100 bb)
UTG: $5.21 (104.2 bb)
MP: $5.65 (113 bb)
CO: $5.30 (106 bb)

SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J♣: J♠:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, BB raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.24, BB raises to $5.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.76

Flop: ($10.02, 2 players) 9♣: 4♥: J♥:

Turn: ($10.02, 2 players) A♦:

River: ($10.02, 2 players) Q♣:

Results: $10.02 pot ($0.42 rake)
Final Board: 9♣: 4♥: J♥: A♦: Q♣:

BB shows 9♦: 8♦:: (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 20%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)

Hero shows J♣: J♠:: (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 80%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)

Hero wins $9.60

My question is not so much about my hand but about the hand of BB. I had him marked as a regular with no weird plays.
1st: My fold-to-3bet is pretty high in BTN, probably not uncommon for NL 5. This means a resteal with 9♦:8♦: seems okay. If you would elect to play hands like this, wouldn't you want to make it cheaper? Around $0.40 maybe.
2nd: My 4bet-Range is very narrow in this spot. JJ+ AQs AKo. Again, not uncommon for NL 5. This is where I would never go. Shoving with 9♦:8♦:. Is there a reasonable way to justify his shove?

My goal is to see and learn what other regulars at my limit do. I have different regulars marked and if I have showdown hands of them I review them from time to time. Here I would totally disagree with his play.
What is your opinion? Am I wasting my time with this hand and he only wanted to make "a move" or is there something?


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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

If you don't have a 4bet bluff range, then he is making a massive mistake with 5bet shove.
In fact, if Villain does this a lot, you can exploit this by tightening BTN open range and by widening your 4bet call range to something like TT+; AQ+ etc. Mostly etc.

In Villain's shoes I'd 3bet you with a lots of air and fold to all 4bets (well, almost all).
And he should never ever 3bet with 98s. This just loses value when it gets 4bet and we have to muck it.
It flops well and has a great play ability postflop BB vs BTN.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

4betting with JJ and AQs is way too wide, especially at NL5 ! Just 4bet QQ+ AK and some semi-bluffs if you want and you'll do fine.

4bet/calling a shove with JJ is mostly suicidal. Villain has to be really retarded... as seems the case here
There's no good justification for a 5bet shove with 98s. Don't bother.


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

Once you decide to 4bet JJ you have the odds to call a 5bet shove for 100BB. How profitable this is - well.. who knows, depends on tendencies, history, player pool, etc.

Villians shove is awful if he is indeed a reg because he doesnt even have a blocker for any of the premiums. I would understand if he shows up with something like AQ/KQ etc, however 98s means that he was either on tilt or he had some sort of a wrong note on you.

My experience shows that calling a 5bet shove with JJ at NL 5 is -EV in the long run. This is why i flat 3bets with JJ or i am the one 5bet shoving it.


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