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AKos and QQ pre all in call or fold?

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Hi!

I would like some your opion this hand what suggest pre flop, if villain raise all in and you have got about him/her 1K or more hands. And 4bet range high 9 or more, 11, 12. Sometimes he shows AQos, JJ, 1010, or lot of times AKos, QQ. If they range 8 or more i always have to call 100BB all in, if i have got QQ or AKos? My question is full ring and 6max too. And if villain sits broke stacks, about 40-60BB, always have to call AKos and QQ, even if villain is rock or nit and his/her 4bet range about 5 or less? And what about if villain 1k or more hand and 3bets stats 1 or less, i just call KK? My hud crash when i played villain, i had got KK and he shows AA. And later i looked back this hand and i found villain 3bet range 0.3. If i know that him i pretty sure just call KK pre flop. Sorry formy post so long.

Some example:

1. Villain almost unknow but he played 50 hands, 65/2 and broke stacks too.

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Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5.14 (102.8 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $7.43 (148.6 bb)
Hero (MP1): $5.16 (103.2 bb)
MP2: $4.63 (92.6 bb)
MP3: $2.61 (52.2 bb)
CO: $12.98 (259.6 bb)
BTN: $3.40 (68 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K♥ A♠
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, BTN raises to $3.40 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.25

Flop: ($6.87) 8♦ T♥ 2♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($6.87) 8♥ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($6.87) 6♠ (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $6.87 pot ($0.29 rake)
Final Board: 8♦ T♥ 2♣ 8♥ 6♠
Hero showed K♥ A♠ and lost (-$3.40 net)
BTN showed K♠ K♦ and won $6.58 ($3.18 net)

2. Villain unknow too and similar the first. 35/2 played.

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Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

Hero (SB): $5.85 (117 bb)
BB: $12.13 (242.6 bb)
UTG+2: $6.32 (126.4 bb)
MP1: $5 (100 bb)
MP2: $12.34 (246.8 bb)
MP3: $2.50 (50 bb)
CO: $9.18 (183.6 bb)
BTN: $4.78 (95.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K♦ A♥
3 folds, MP3 raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB folds, MP3 raises to $1.30, Hero raises to $3.95, MP3 calls $1.20 and is all-in

Flop: ($5.05) 4♠ T♦ 6♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($5.05) 7♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($5.05) 6♦ (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $5.05 pot ($0.21 rake)
Final Board: 4♠ T♦ 6♣ 7♣ 6♦
Hero showed K♦ A♥ and lost (-$2.50 net)
MP3 showed Q♠ Q♣ and won $4.84 ($2.34 net)

3. Villain played 42/26 but only 50 hands.

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Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

Hero (SB): $6.20 (124 bb)
BB: $6.34 (126.8 bb)
UTG+1: $5 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $5.38 (107.6 bb)
MP1: $7.28 (145.6 bb)
MP2: $4.28 (85.6 bb)
MP3: $3.71 (74.2 bb)
CO: $2.98 (59.6 bb)
BTN: $8.62 (172.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♦ K♦
5 folds, CO raises to $0.15, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB folds, CO raises to $2.98 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.48

Flop: ($6.01) 3♥ 2♥ 9♦ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($6.01) 7♠ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($6.01) J♥ (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $6.01 pot ($0.25 rake)
Final Board: 3♥ 2♥ 9♦ 7♠ J♥
Hero showed A♦ K♦ and won $5.76 ($2.78 net)
CO showed K♣ Q♠ and lost (-$2.98 net)


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Just don't overvalue AK when you don't have FE.
That's it.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Another suggest? The pokerstrategy videos advice pre flop push all with 100BB, AA, KK every time. And about 40-60BB all in AA, KK and AKos and QQ too. And 20-30BB, AQos, JJ, maybe 1010.
So just call pre flop AK or i 3bet folded if broke stack push all in? And ready hands especially QQ, fold too pre flop same situation. He push almost every middle pair 88++ and sometimes AJo+. These hands are very profitable to call QQ for 50BB.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Hand 1 you are facing a over shove of a loose passive fish. Than you are hoping that you have a flip or overplaying AQ, but in general I would play post-flop against him than taking a flip most of the time.
Hand 2 you can also call against a loose passive fish than 3betting out of position. Now you need to fold against his 4bet.
Hand 3 against an LAG is it better to go broke with AKs. Especially for only 59bb effective and now you have reads on him that he's over playing weaker hands as well.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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OrigamiPoker
Joined: 27.10.2018

Hand 1 I would fold hand 2 and 3 I think are ok.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by SacredCow
Hand 1 I would fold hand 2 and 3 I think are ok.

Why do you think it's fine to stack of in hand 2 with AK when we are dealing with someone with a PFR of only 2%?


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