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AA with 3bet pot, correct pot flop play

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Dry flop, check-raise better play? And what can i do if villain re-raise the flop, fold or easy push? Turn cbet fold or check call better? Lot of possible hand got the the outs, JJ, QQ, QJ. And some semi bluff hands, Kh10h, 10h9h. River hard decision, villain played this KQ, AQ, KK or AA. This range (JJ+,AQs+,KQs,QJs,AQo) i had got 75%.Pot 7.5 and i had to call 2.5. So i thinked easy call.
Villain stats: 1.7K hands, 19/11, wtsd 30 wonsd 70. Pre flop fold 3bet 25, flop to fold in 3bet pot 47, 3bet range 2.7.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $5 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $4.53 (90.6 bb)
MP1: $3.77 (75.4 bb)
MP2: $7.46 (149.2 bb)
MP3: $5.63 (112.6 bb)
CO: $5.18 (103.6 bb)
BTN: $7.10 (142 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♥ A♠
2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.15, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.65, MP2 calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.32) J♥ 4♦ 2♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.64, MP2 calls $0.64

Turn: ($2.60) Q♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

River: ($5.10) 2♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $2.45, Hero calls $2.45

Spoiler

Results: $10 pot ($0.42 rake)
Final Board: J♥ 4♦ 2♣ Q♥ 2♠
Hero mucked A♥ A♠ and lost (-$4.99 net)
MP2 showed Q♦ Q♠ and won $9.58 ($4.59 net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would go for the bet on every street approach against most players with AA and if you get a raise or shove against you than you can still fold against him.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

The cases when i have got AA or KK and flop cbet and turn cbet, and villain call the flop, turn raise or just call and river shows almost always beats me. 2 outs always comes.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

I believe you can exclude KK/AA from his range when he calls pre.
Flop is really dry. But to check-raise here I like to know how villain plays in this 3bet pots when you check. Cbet is totally fine.
Turn is a bet to protect yourself from eventual FD's and for obvious value. But when he calls here I must confess I start to get suspicious because JJ / QQ are the hands he would play this way.
OTR you're getting a good price. Your check here could induce a bluff if he thinks you called OTT with 99, TT.
So the call seems fine to me. He could have AQ's for instance.


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

I would bet flop and turn, and would fold if get raised OTT.

As played OTT you have nut flush bloker, so that makes the opp range overfilled with sets when he shows aggression + maybe T9s of hearts.

When check call the turn, I think you have to fold the river.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Yes, and i fold almost always if i had never lucky, i know. If i had AK in 3bet i give up every time, and i have better hand villain gets the outs. I think only ps where you can lost 10-12 buy in per day, if you play about 17/11 and 3bet range about 3. I can make a pictures call me every pairs and always find the sets against me or call every street the draws will come the river. :f_biggrin:


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

Acording to your stats I would say it is too obvious for your opp to know what hand they are playing against. I mean your stats is too nitty, your 3bet range should be around 6-9%, from the blinds even bigger. Vpip/pfr should be around 25/20 as minimum imo.
As I play only 6max, cant say any more details, but I think you should change your preflop game first of all.


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OrigamiPoker
Joined: 27.10.2018

Id take a betting line that sets up a river shove and if raised on the flop or turn folding is a consideration. Although I probably go broke in the hand myself as id commit myself on the turn.I don't think it's really that possible to take a bet fold line on the turn although I may be wrong.


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

I would cbet every street and fold if i got a reraise.
The only exception is with players that i know that go crazy when they hit any crapy pair or draw.

Btw i lost count to hands that i lose with KK, the villain allways get 2pairs OTR ir pay just because they have Ax and get an Ace otr. (End of tantrum)


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Full ring we speak, so 25/20 is too much, lag plays does not good this players. I thinked nitty play the best can you play in NL2-NL5 and perhaps NL10 full ring tables. 3bet average range 3-4 is good too, i thinked. But of course everything depend, what you play post flop, but i thinked and i saw lot of videos and coach says you can not winner if you play more than about 21/17. 25/20 is too much and 3bet 9 too.


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

the hand is played perfectly fine.

regarding stats: you can not mix 6max and FR stats. playing the same style you end up having a 7 difference. so 25/20 6max corresponds to 18/13 FR.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by ToddBrunson
The cases when i have got AA or KK and flop cbet and turn cbet, and villain call the flop, turn raise or just call and river shows almost always beats me. 2 outs always comes.

Your hand has value for at least 2 streets and you can see the river. If along the way you face a turn raise than our pair is no good and you have to fold. But this is not something new.


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