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Tricky 3bet spot with AQ

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GragasBrother
Joined: 31.01.2015

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 281 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 153 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 170.5 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 117.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP: 148.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (CO): 294 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ Q♦

fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (22 BB, 2 players) 7♠ Q♣ 7♦
Hero bets 10.5 BB, BTN calls 10.5 BB

Turn: (43 BB, 2 players) 5♠
Hero bets 26 BB, BTN raises to 75 BB, Hero calls 49 BB

River: (193 BB, 2 players) J♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 186.5 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 186 BB

I thought OTF that I bet small because its a 3bet pot + i want to get all his low pairs to call

OTT i messed up big time... I think I shouldve check/called and then check/called the river too...

What do you think?


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

being so deep you have to 3bet bigger and XC all the way.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Flop is dry enough to atract some calls from basically any PP. He could have 99, TT or even JJ in this spot. (cold call a 3bet of a player versus a MP range). I think he's not raising most of his range on this board because he has position.
But you betting this board OOP also makes it look like a strong PP.

The 5 OTT seems blank to me. Don't expect him to have 65, 54, 86 in his calling range pre.
And that raise to your bet after two streets... looks very strong imo. Maybe KQ is raising this. Forget all AX hands like AT, AJ, AK.
Could have 76's, 87's, 55 and that's the bottom of his range on the BTN vs a 3bet.
I think you can still call OTT. You beat 99, TT, JJ, hands he's probably checking back OTR if you check as well.

The river completes nothing. Does he really raise OTT with QJ? He jams after you check, but I don't think this is a bluff because you called his raise OTT OOP.
KQ, QJ, JJ, 87, 76, 55. I think the call OTR is very optimistic.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

1/3 is enough flop.
Bet/calling turn totally fine.
Without info exploitative crying fold river I suppose. But if you call at least with your AQ combos without spades it's not the end of the world either.


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GridironAssassin
Joined: 19.12.2014

This deep, BTN is going to have A7s, J7s, T7s, 97s, 86s, 87s,77, 76s & 75s in his preflop range. He is also going to have KQs, QJs, QTs, etc. As stacks get deeper, connecters and Ax suited go way up in value.

As played, flop seems fine. Plenty of Qx, etc. to get value from. Turn I can go either way. If I am specifically targeting his TP weaker kicker/sticky underpairs range then betting is ok but Checking is probably going to be superior because betting eliminates almost all of his turn bluffs (if he floated flop looking to bet turn if you checked).

As played, bet/fold turn. There are like 4, maybe 5 combos you want to bet/call against on this turn (AQss, KQss, QJss, QTss and 86ss) and the rest of his raising combos have you crushed.


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

Originally posted by GridironAssassin
As played, bet/fold turn.

poker is not about building huge pots w strong hands to let them go. poker is about realising equity.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Originally posted by GridironAssassin
This deep, BTN is going to have A7s, J7s, T7s, 97s, 86s, 87s,77, 76s & 75s in his preflop range. He is also going to have KQs, QJs, QTs, etc. As stacks get deeper, connecters and Ax suited go way up in value.

This is a NL2 hand, so I don't expect a NL2 player to have such a wide range vs a 3bet. I think the tendency is to play even tighter and explore the stations.
General NL2 players don't realize you're playing deep and adjust their game to that fact.


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GridironAssassin
Joined: 19.12.2014

Dude, come on. This is 2nL. I had a guy flat a 5 bet with 65s and 4's just last night at 10NL.

vs. this action on turn he is crushed.

So using the logic that these guys are much tighter than average, then it makes very little sense that a tighter player is going to raise turn and ship river 300bb deep with much less than AQss. He's not making this move with KQ or QT or JJ. I don't even know if he makes that move with QJ since he is counterfeited by the 6 combos of AA you still have and the 6 combos of KK you still have since you are uncapped.

A loose/passive is going to have a much wider range. They Check/Call stuff like KQ, QJ, QT, Q9 for three streets, trap flop/attack turn and/or river with their big hands and fold everything else. So if a passive guy starts betting or raising or donking on the turn or river after check/calling previously, what does he do this with?

And then you have the loose/bad aggressive, and yes I would agree that the dynamics in this hand change against this type. However, we have 2 hands against this guy, so assuming he is this player type is going to get expensive since a) they are much more rare than the passive type b) they are harder to spot since you are going to see less showdowns due to their aggressive nature and a lot of exploitable overfolding and c) sometimes they are going to have it and play the hand exactly as above.


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