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Hi all!
I'm sorry for the format: I play on pacific and cannot save my hand history =(( I'll present my thinking and please correct me where I'm wrong.
Just want to know your opinion on the following hand in a 5$ DoN:

DoN just started, so there's no info about the players.

UTG 1200
6 more players with aprox 1200 stacks
SB Hero 1190
BB 2400

My hand: AhQs

Action:
UTG Call 20
5 folds
BU Call 20
SB Raise 110
BB fold
UTG Call 90
BU fold

I'm left heads up with the UTG. Flop: (Pot =260)

Qc2c6c

Action:
Hero bet 260
UTG calls 260

I got a top pair with the best kicker on a flush-dangerous board, so I bet pot size to protect my hand in case he holds one club. I think I should've been betting more than pot if I wanted to protect (yes, i'm stupid=)), but should I have bet at all?

Turn: (Pot= 780)

4s

Hero check
UTG Check

River:

8s

Hero bet 180
UTG Raise 360
Hero call 180

UTG shows Ac3c and I loose most of my stack.

The 180 bet on the river was more of a protection, though I don't know whether it was good or not in this situation.


4 replies
NickParkes
Joined: 07.07.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Preflop I raise to 100 but 110 is OK. With TPTK the potsize bet is fine to protect against draws, you don't need to bet more than that. You can bet 2/3rds pot and up, but on a suited board like that I prefer the potsized bet.

On the turn the mistake is checking and letting villain see a free card. You should be protecting there as well...

With another blank on the river I am happy to go broke... Unlucky that villain had a made flush from the flop, but that's life...


veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008
BlackMember

Hello,

Bet the turn also, you have to protect. Otherwise, nice hand, well played.

Best regards,
Rensu


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007
Elite Grinder

Hi all,

Preflop I like.

On the flop I prefer betting 2/3. That makes our cbets when we have nothing a lot cheaper.

On the turn I prefer betting again.

As played I would bet about 350-450 and fold to any raises. The problem with betting something like 180 is that while our opponent won't bluff too often, we still can't just fold to a raise (because we've taken such a weak line). So it makes our bet more or less pointless. If we bet more like 350-450, we still extract value from worse Qx hands, and can get away from it easily if our opponent shows strength.


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_Anonymous_

Thanks!

Can you please explain more of the turn protection:
I think that if I bet on turn (bet 200 (1/4 pot) to protect against river compleeting flush?),
-then a club on the river would make me fold to any half-decent raise (too dangerous).
-If I get raised on the turn, then I would fold.
-If I get called on turn and river does not bring a club, then I would have to raise more to blockbet on the river or call a higher bet by villain due to bigger pot.

So the only benefit I see is (2) - folding on the river if raised, so I save a small potential call on the river. Villain seems to either wait for his flush, or slow-play, so if he is slow-playing then I lose more.
Another reason why I did not protect the turn is "Big pots for strong hands - small pots for weak hands" (I'm thinking of putting that into a frame and on the wall=))). Raising the pot would give him higher incentive to shove and his fold equity is big enough.

Also, chenny, if I raise 2/3 on flop, then I give my opponent 2/5 pot odds against 1/4 odds of him completing his flush, so it;s profitable for him to call anyway. The bets are relatively small to the stacks so if I was holding a (high) club and facing such situation, I would call myself. Is that a mistake?

THanks again!


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