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250$ Live tournament QQ shortstack utg Day1

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qDe
qDe
Joined: 13.04.2008

http://www.pokerpoise.com/viewhand?3347

So here is my situation from saturdays tournament. It had quite a slow structure - 40 minutes levels, action is on level 10, day 1. I don't remember how were the stacks from other players except the SB and BB (rest is irrelevant in this hand).
SB young solid player, good skills playing with board haven't noticed any serious mistakes during these 10 levels.
BB is an older man, playing lots of hands: broadways, connectors (not always suited), sometimes opening with low A off from early positions, liked to limp or call pockets to hit the flop.
In this case I was not sure what to do with the flop. Should i shove here? or getting more value on the turn is a better option? When turn came I had to tank a little, but decided to shove in that spot, having the Q of hearts and possible fullhouses on the river. Expected the bb to have some lower suited connectors or a set, QX, maybe some 2 pair? It was a tricky spot for me, don't know what should be the correct decisions here.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Problem is that I can only see the hand if I have an account there, but most of the time if you have an <15bb stack a shove with QQ is fine for sure.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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qDe
qDe
Joined: 13.04.2008

Sorry I will have to create it by hand as no other player works for live hands to recreate properly :f_frown:

Blinds 500/1000, BB ante

Hero utg (21500) open 2.3k Q♥:Q♦:
action folds to SB and BB. Both stacks around 35-40k (don't remember exactly)
Flop comes Q♠:5♥:8♥:.
Check Check
Hero Bet around 50% (don't know what should I do here? Is 50% enough? should I shove here?)
Both call.
Turn comes T♥:
SB Check
BB plays 10k
I tank and shove.
Sb Folds.
BB calls showing A♥:8♠:
River comes 2♥:


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timkuy
Joined: 29.01.2009

oophff... good call, what a cooler. Dunno, 1/2 pot seems ok... but perhaps on the low end of ok. against two players 3/4 pot maybe is better? Then again, we are committing ourselves with a bigger bet, right?

What to prioritize here? Not going broke against flushes (push) vs. optimizing value against worse hands (bet smaller)? Then again we seem to be able to possibly do both by betting 50-66% pot on flop... thoughts on this?


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qDe
Joined: 13.04.2008

Yes this was my thinking process...go and extract as much value as possible from worse hands. Being in position allowed to see what is incoming on such board. Actually I was way more scared about the solid player on SB than the one who fired 10k on turn.

If there were more players, on the flop I would have an easy shove, but here I wasn't sure about it


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Half pot is fine versus two players. You really dont want to go any bigger because we block top pairs heavily and we really want action. This hand is also ok to check theory wise but as default I would bet. Turn is mandatory stack off. Even if villain has made flush we have good amount of outs. Also possibly flush outs.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I think you played it fine for sure. It's to bad he hits the nut flush in the end, ut with the flush blocker on the turn I can't fold this hand.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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