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1,5$| HU | Hyper Turbo | 2pairs

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mmandm
Joined: 07.04.2012

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 22.35 BB (VPIP: 76.92, PFR: 59.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
Hero (BB): 27.65 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♥ Q♠

SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) J♣ 9♥ T♣
Hero checks, SB bets 2 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Turn: (14 BB, 2 players) Q♥
Hero bets 5.75 BB, SB raises to 15.35 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 9.6 BB

River: (44.7 BB, 2 players) 4♠

Spoiler

Hero shows T♥ Q♠ (Two Pair, Queens and Tens)
(Pre 44%, Flop 88%, Turn 13%)
SB shows K♥ 6♠ (Straight, King High)
(Pre 56%, Flop 12%, Turn 88%)
SB wins 44.7 BB

Hey guys, i decide to raise/call flop, but on the turn i think i made a mistake and i should check/call and try to get on showdown.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I think you could raise the flop a little bit more like 6bb, but most of the time I would just check/call to keep his range wider. Now you are turning your hand in to a bluff with only a straight draw as back-up. Turn is a nast card, but I don't think he will ever shove with less than a straight and is folding better.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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mmandm
Joined: 07.04.2012

It's one of my biggest mistakes - sizing. When i think about bigger rise flop it makes much better effects.

About check/folding - i've seen a lot of bad turns and rivers when i'm losing my equity because of not rising flop. I mean cards like clubs on the turn or Q like in this spot.


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CptJokerFish
Joined: 06.06.2017

I think I would prefer to call on flop and raise rather with a non-pair hand with a nut straight blocker + a club.
If you bet the Turn and your opponent goes all-in then it becomes pretty ugly because the people on microstakes usually dont bluff enough. Ok some people bluff to much and some to less but I would say in general rather to less.

It´s a pretty ugly spot your opponent could have a FD on flop but I dont think so that most opponent would shove these all-in on Turn against a bet.
Another problem is that you hold a heart you dont want to block his bluffing range ok it´s just backdoor so it´s maybe not that relevant.

You could put this hand into a equitylab calculator. Then checkout what he shoves for value and what as a bluff. Then you can see if you get the correct odds for the call.

I will solve this flop also for fun with a GTO solver. I will post the results here later.

GTO calls 100% of the time on flop against a cbet:

The picture is a little bit small. :-/
Here is it bigger:


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

There is no real point to raise flop. Sure it's not disaster to get all-in but it's basically unnecessary aggression with mid pair. Though of course if villain continue with all sort of crap then it could work as thin value in a way but... Yeah.

As played checking in turn would likely induce more bluffs. Also villain would probably play more aggro on flop with flopped two pairs so it's unlikely for him to have weaker two pair. If turn goes checked you could try to make small value bet.


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

how about shoving pre? We have to resteal at least 50% vs auto profit.

greets

maniac


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by maniac
We have to resteal at least 50% vs auto profit.

Ummm.... Why?


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

well its plus ev. qts has a better playability, he is oop. how about a small 3bet than? spr is maybe to bad to shove.

greets

maniac


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Maybe you used wrong term.

You need to defend more than 50% to not allow auto profit but that include 3betting and calling. 3betting 50% would be pretty crazy.

QTo is pretty basic call hand as it play nice postflop and dominates good amount of hands. But if you 3bet most weaker hands will tend to fold and lot of better continue. So I don't see reason to 3bet.

Shoving will be profitable most of time but call should be lot better.


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

ah ok that clarifies it. ty ghale.

greets

maniac


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