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TPWK vs 2 street bets.

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venatici
Joined: 15.03.2010

Hello,

No reads on all villains, 5 hands on MP, which seems to be a TAG (no limping, no other weird / fancy plays).

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $3.09 (154.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.12 (106 bb)
UTG: $2.97 (148.5 bb)
MP: $2 (100 bb)
CO: $4.66 (233 bb)
BTN: $1.18 (59 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♠: 8♠:
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.06, CO folds, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

I am calling here as this si a multiway pot, and I've got great pot odds even to play fit or fold on the flop.

Flop: ($0.24) 4♦: A♣: Q♣: (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $0.15, BTN folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.15

On the flop I hit TPWK, I can see no reason to raise this hand as this would be a huge overplay. My intention is to see showdown cheaply. Being OOP and only as a caller is not a comfortable situation, but I can always see what SB has done after aggressors bet (if any).

Turn: ($0.69) 5♠: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $0.50, SB folds, Hero?

Now it stops to be a cheap spot where I can see a showdown. Being OOP doesn't make it easier. Possibly if I was IP I would call this bet with intention to check back river, but being OOP he can bet the river after my check with missed straight draws and / or flush draws. There are also 12 cards that are terrible for me which are :Tx: and X:club:, but even if those miss we are going to see a river pot of $1,69 with remaining $1,29 of effective stacks, so this is a shove from him most of the time.
IMO fold here seems correct, but not sure if my logic is correct?


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Well played.
Pre-flop you have a great price and a suited ace, call is mandatory. Flop you hit TP, standard check call, even more after SB call.
Turn check fold ok too. MP is double barreling in a mwp, I expect him to have strong Ax in his range.


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

I am folding OTF. MP makes a CB in 4-way pot, that's at least an ace and is better than your ace for sure, and there is a call, you have just two outs to improve and those are not clean outs, you might be drawing dead alreday. You certainly cannot aford to see a showdown, it's very unlikely that there will be no more bets OTT and OTR. You completed to hit strong, you didn't, so you just fold.


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londonsystem
Joined: 19.11.2008

I'm still adjusting the calling range from BB, and I might fold A8 suited here, especially in NL2. It is O.K. call one opp, but against 3 is a whole different story. You could not get paid enough with flushes that easily in a multi-way pot.

I think A2s - A5s, and ATs+ could call, as they could also make straights.

Just check your DB and where you're making or losing money from BB with A6s - A9s. If you are losing money with them, you do not need to follow some standard theory. Only a few theory prepares you with 4-way hand with only 12BB pot.


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romanista06
Joined: 03.10.2014

I like call PF in a multiway pot, but I don't see a lucrative call OTF againt MP and SB.


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cms81
Joined: 24.04.2013

I think the call pre flop is standard giving the price you are getting, I also agree with semiramiRNMD I would find a fold on the flop once villain cbet's in to 4 players you are always almost in bad shape. When you call pre you are calling given the great price you are getting to flop a flush/ flush draw so when you miss and see more aggression its time to fold I understand it's a lot easier said than done when you flop an A and there is a clear flush draw OTF from what I have seen at 2z's you are always behind to a better Ax. Well done for getting away from it on the turn though mate.:f_thumbsup: :f_thumbsup:


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venatici
Joined: 15.03.2010

Thank you all for your replies.

This is true, if I get standard MP open ranges and see what he bets here 4-way I am way behind:

Board: A♣Q♣4♦
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    70.27%  62.52%   7.75% { AA, QQ, 88, A5s+, KcJc, KcTc, JcTc, Kc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, A9o+ }
BB     29.73%  21.98%   7.75% { As8s }

Originally posted by londonsystem
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Just check your DB and where you're making or losing money from BB with A6s - A9s. If you are losing money with them, you do not need to follow some standard theory. [...]

Well, folding those hands on BB gives a result of -100bb/100, anything better than that is actually winning.


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