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76s, turned straight, paired river

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Oly0909
Joined: 08.06.2008

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $6.37 (127.4 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG: $4.95 (99 bb)
MP: $5.23 (104.6 bb)
CO: $6.76 (135.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $5.81 (116.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7♦: 6♦:
UTG raises to $0.10, MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 8♠: 3♦: T♠: (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18, UTG calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.91) 9♣: (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2.33, UTG folds, MP calls $1.58

River: ($5.57) 9♥: (2 players)
MP bets $2.62 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.62

Results:

Spoiler

$10.81 pot ($0.45 rake)
Final Board: 8♠: 3♦: T♠: 9♣: 9♥:
MP showed 8♦: 8♣: and won $10.36 ($5.13 net)
Hero showed 7♦: 6♦: and lost (-$5.23 net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Against his big bet on the turn and with in mind you need to raise around half of your remaining stack I would push here. River is nasty, but tough to fo,d a straight with already so much invested.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

lines like XC, XC, donk; BC, C, donk or in your case B, BC, donk are usually unbalanced and value heavy.

so i would strongly consider folding here.


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romanista06
Joined: 03.10.2014

I don't like this call flop, OTR just call, nothing to do


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Oly0909
Joined: 08.06.2008

Originally posted by romanista06
I don't like this call flop, OTR just call, nothing to do

Flop: Position, multiway, gutshot, backdoor flush. I don’t see how I can fold here.
River: It’s not exactly “nothing to do”. I can call or fold. Since I folded one straight that day (I’ve poster it here), I couldn’t do it again ;-)


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romanista06
Joined: 03.10.2014

Originally posted by Oly0909

Originally posted by romanista06
I don't like this call flop, OTR just call, nothing to do

Flop: Position, multiway, gutshot, backdoor flush. I don’t see how I can fold here.
River: It’s not exactly “nothing to do”. I can call or fold. Since I folded one straight that day (I’ve poster it here), I couldn’t do it again ;-)

When I said "nothing to do", I mean that I'll make the same move after all that was invested


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Ihuarraquax
Joined: 13.12.2016

Isn’t it better to raise OTF ? As played I am calling that river also. He can have missed FD or hands like ie J9 easily.


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oblak90
Joined: 03.01.2012

Many players open extremely loose especially from UTG and we can see here raise to merely 2BB. 76s works better in squeeze than in calling range. Perhaps 76s would have enough implied odds in full ring game but against two opponents you just need to bluff very often. Squeeze preflop. You wouldn't snap call it preflop for 10.00 $


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Oly0909
Joined: 08.06.2008

Originally posted by Ihuarraquax
Isn’t it better to raise OTF ? As played I am calling that river also. He can have missed FD or hands like ie J9 easily.

3 way on micros, I think it’s too wide to raise with only GS + BDFD.


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Oly0909
Joined: 08.06.2008

Originally posted by oblak90
Many players open extremely loose especially from UTG and we can see here raise to merely 2BB. 76s works better in squeeze than in calling range. Perhaps 76s would have enough implied odds in full ring game but against two opponents you just need to bluff very often. Squeeze preflop. You wouldn't snap call it preflop for 10.00 $

As I understand poker theory, our hand benefits from high SPR, so it should do much better in single raised pot then in squeezed pot (as long as we have position). The fact that UTG opened for just 2BB only benefits our hand because we will play multiway on BU with as high SPR as it can be. It’s dream situation and I don’t see a reason to ruin it by squeezing. If we were SB or BB then we no longer have our main advantage, and then I would agree squeezing would be better.


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oblak90
Joined: 03.01.2012

Originally posted by Oly0909

As I understand poker theory, our hand benefits from high SPR, so it should do much better in single raised pot then in squeezed pot (as long as we have position)

How often will you catch straight draw or flush draw with 76s?
I think that trying to extract implied value odds from 76s is unprofitable in long term, but it may be profitable to use your fold equity from time to time in the long term.
Even if you catch straight or flush draw, you need to put some extra money on the flop, your flush can be smaller than villain's flush, maybe you will not get much implied odds... You can not count that 76s always earn whole villain's stack when you catch flush or straight.


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

Pre fold or 3-bet, depends on the table. The flop call is OK, OTT just shove, or near shove, OTR is tough to fold, but you must fold, I think you wont win often enough in this situation, he'll very rarely have any bluffs, and you beat just about nothing. He might have just a nine, but thats unlikely, any 2 pair is now counterfeited, and you have the lowest str.


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oblak90
Joined: 03.01.2012

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
OTR is tough to fold, but you must fold, I think you wont win often enough in this situation, he'll very rarely have any bluffs, and you beat just about nothing. He might have just a nine, but thats unlikely, any 2 pair is now counterfeited, and you have the lowest str.

I like your post althought remember that this is NL5.
Folding river after too large raising on the turn?
Somebody needs to use both hole cards to complete straight on this board. Full house isn't really obvious on NL5 in this situation.
I guess that on this level NL5 everything may happen :-p
I wouldn't raise on the turn and fold on the river for the sake of NL5.


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

This is impossible to fold on the river. He can have all full houses but can also have missed fd, 9J, 97, etc.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

The hand is well played. Folding river is exploitable, although you must take into account that he doesn't have a single bluff OTR after the turn action. Dont ask me how I know.


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

Yes, I also think that he doesn't have any bluffs, so there are not many value hands that we beat. How can he have a nine? Does he call with J9 or 97 pre? Both hands even suited are folds for most players MP vs UTG even vs min raise. And we don't even know if he will play a nine like that. If you ask me I think that he will very rarely show a nine here, almost never, so what's left? Of course he might be a crazy 5NL fish, but it just does not look like that.


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