Hello 
Table 6max
Against loose aggressive (BB)
Pre-Flop: (1,4bb) Hero is CO with T♥:9♥:
2 players fold, Hero raises to 3bb, BU calls, SB fold, BB calls
Flop (9,4bb) J♥:Q♥:4♥:
BB raises to 6 bb Hero calls, BU fold
Turn (21,4bb) Q♠:
BB raises to 21 bb, Hero Shove, BB calls
How do you think about the call after the flop ? It was better to shove there ?
It's to bad we don't have any stack information, but both calling and raising flop is fine against a LAG. If you only call you keep his range as wide as possible and in most cases I would call the turn as and call a shove on the river.
Cheers,
SDK1987
I would raise the flop as well, you can use any A♥:or:Kh: hands in your range as bluffs to balance it out. As played I like the shove on the turn as well, good chance villain hit trips and won’t fold.
I play any AXs. I make a lot of money against Villains who call my Ace flushes with weaker flushes. Your hand is not strong enough for a raise. Just keep calling and hope that you are not facing a stronger flush or full house.
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I would think that you also have to protect against K♥: and A♥: OTF. So a raise seems reasonable to me.
Originally posted by monteCarlol
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I would think that you also have to protect against K♥: and A♥: OTF. So a raise seems reasonable to me.
Consider the possibility that Villain has an Ah2h or a Kh2h. Then, Hero has already lost and prefers smaller pots to lose. This is not an All In Quality hand. I would not fold against a shove. But, I prefer not to go All In.
Originally posted by srichards
Originally posted by monteCarlol
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I would think that you also have to protect against K♥: and A♥: OTF. So a raise seems reasonable to me.Consider the possibility that Villain has an Ah2h or a Kh2h. Then, Hero has already lost and prefers smaller pots to lose. This is not an All In Quality hand. I would not fold against a shove. But, I prefer not to go All In.
So I'm just thinking out loud. Isn't Ahxh or Khxh quite unlikely? What is the difference to KK pre-flop where you want to go all-in almost always? I think a Q high flush is quite a strong hand. You only shove with the nuts? And also, raising the flop to 25-30 BB is not == shoving.
Originally posted by monteCarlol
Originally posted by srichards
Originally posted by monteCarlol
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I would think that you also have to protect against K♥: and A♥: OTF. So a raise seems reasonable to me.Consider the possibility that Villain has an Ah2h or a Kh2h. Then, Hero has already lost and prefers smaller pots to lose. This is not an All In Quality hand. I would not fold against a shove. But, I prefer not to go All In.
So I'm just thinking out loud. Isn't Ahxh or Khxh quite unlikely? What is the difference to KK pre-flop where you want to go all-in almost always? I think a Q high flush is quite a strong hand. You only shove with the nuts? And also, raising the flop to 25-30 BB is not == shoving.
No, I do not wait for the nuts to go all in. In fact, I make about 80% of my big blinds with All In hands. I like going all in with sets, 2 pairs, or better if there is not a flush scare (3 suited board). Sometimes, I will shove with top pair, top kicker. But, TPTK shove is less successful. Believe me that I love when Villains believe that an Ace high flush is “quite unlikely”. One of my best money makers is when my Ace high flush beats weaker flushes. With my tight, full ring game, I would not even play T9s (T9s is reasonable, but not my style). I only play AXs. I don’t even play KXs (KQx always and KJx in position). Thus, I frequently enjoy facing Villains with a weaker flush. Or just look at the possibilities in this hand. A2s, A3s, A5s, A6s, A7s, A8s, AKs, K2s, K3s, K5s, K6s, K7s, and K8s. That is 13 Villain hole hands that beat Hero’s flush. I did not even count the full house possibilities. No, 13 better flushes are not “highly unlikely”. However, I agree that a 25-30 BB Raise is not a Shove. But, I would not want to shove or raise for the same reasons. This is not an All In Quality hand because of the many better flushes. I won’t fold a shove but I prefer a smaller pot.
I would R OTF wot Th flush on QJxsss fro value and protection! IDK what the ES is and why you are showing OTT neither:), but shove OTT is not good!
