[PLO50] AAJ5d - paired flop 3bet pot

so best play might be GTO play

Nope. When somebody tightens up to be overly value-heavy it makes sense to bluff him more often and use smaller sizings.
GTO is best only against another GTO player or if villain is unknown.

Checkin back the flop is an option, as you (reverse-) block his straight outs.

The J♣: is a bad card you are holding but you have reverse blocker that speak for a river call.

His raising range otf could be trips, top-pair, strong to medium combodraws, of course air and maybe weak draws. nfd also possible especiall +gs/sv.

A detailed range analysis is hard without stats.

turn is spr2 ish and I check a lot here to keep his range wide?!

lol no you check cause your hand is beat and you dont achieve anything by betting.

A helpful detail would be if he gii with most of his trips. this would help to define his barreling frequency and it would be interesting how aggressive he can bluff allin. some regs do not even bet allin otr without a strong hand.

I personally would check-fold the turn if I dont know how villain plays here and as you said he got tighter so when someone plays more tight he bluffs less (logic). Once you call the turn you basically say villain is bluff-floating here too much and therefore you have to usually call the river aswell.

the problem is that i will never know if he tightens up it is just a feeling and we dont play by feeling usually. since he might adjust in one direction and i can never say for sure about that type of guessing game i think best play will be a gto line since i will never loose money no matter which way he adjusts.

lets forget about my assumption. what do you think he calls the flop with? what would you call the flop with against a reg? I cant tell if he stacks off most trips. btw flop cant checkback because OOP.

flop cant checkback because OOP

sry meant check-fold

I do play by "feeling"! ♠_ugly:

What feeling usually mean is a subconscious set of experience and intuition that should be integrated with and not separated from the "hard" logical concepts or guidelines we use when discussing hands. never underestimate subconscious human brain-power. human brain dictates our feeling, we should try to understand those "feelings" rather than ignoring em, human brain is the most complex operating system in this world and it is not fully scientifically explored how it works. the game is dynamic fluent and we have to operate with very very incomplete pieces of information, most plays require information that are just partially available and the game cannot be solved ingame by mathematical or logic concepts alone. stuff like odds and ev calcs just support u to get an overall picture how the ev can change but they do not substitute the potentially best move. to maneuvr through this gray area there are 2 concepts that help: first, playing GTO (problem: we dont know how GTo looks like unless we have studied anything monker is doig on all boards) , second we play tight and straight-forward investing money in situations that are obviously profitable due to our handstrength like investing in shares you know they have value.

So being in position gives u an game-strcutral inherent advantage and in general tight is right contrary to this playing big pot out of position with weak hands is bad when you dont know where you stand and a recipe for losing money. Conclusion: x/f turn loooks standard but after half million of hands experience I sometimes end up snap bluffcatch check-calling multiple streets on certain runouts with bare single pair winning the hand like 4/5 times for reasons I dont even know (!?). Maybe it is "time-tell" reading with information I have about villain tendencies, both being subsconscious while the conscious part on the surface is board/hand-reading and making odds estimations. Dont know if this is true or if it even makes sense.

what do you think he calls the flop with?

I dont know what he is calling the flop since I dont know the player lol. When looking at the combinatorics, you have Aces and likely the best hand because it is hard to hit trips or better and the runout is blanky. So he has nothing and tries to outplay you by exploiting loose fit/fold tendencies speclating you to be "reasonable" and fold or he has trips+ and plays it slow to lure you by not raising since is written on your head and other hands are unlikely as mentioned, the question is if his moves (float+barrel) conveys the information to distinguish between those 2 hands categories. Against very balanced opponents this will not be possible and you have to stack off defending with AA to not get run over. But you can also avoid becoming drawn into the hand by tighten up otf oop on dangerous textures (which it is) accepting a slight -EV for less variance. The estimation about the player type you assign to villain is critical because most player just do not make big moves for stacks without a hand but if you have the guts and when applied selectively it is effective against the tons of abc-regs out there who are not willing to stack off. I can recommend taking notes and playing less tables if you play for stacks against players you aint able to assign ranges.

what would you call the flop with against a reg?

obv from villains perspective

Originally posted by efkay

what would you call the flop with against a reg?

obv from villains perspective

:Qx:+, strong or mediocre made hands + medium-strong draw like A♣:K♠:T♥:9♥: , A♠:Q♣:9♣:5♠: or Q♠:J♥:T♠:7♦:

Usually I am raising here with vulnerable hands like bare trips, top-pair-tk or combo-draws, potentially bare nut-fd.

If I want to float I can also call more loose with weak draws/ blockers and stuff

So I still want to analyse this in monker free, just so I did had some first experience with it. Meanwhile had some more lessons in playing paired flops OOP.

so lets say I can exclude some hands that would have raised the flop:

trips without straightblocker, these should be afraid that they get sucked out: Q!(A,J,T)
top-pair-tk, I like if they not only block top boat but also block some of our continuing range like nfd, straightouts: AK: (As!ss,J,T)
combo-draws, : AJTss, JT9ss

unsure if he should raise draws without blockers since my range flops boats pretty often and he might semibluff drawing dead on the flop.

So if I take a $FI30 range and exclude these hands I define his calling range left as follows:

slowplaying nuts: KK,KQ - we could exclude some where villain doesnt hold the NFB so he can assume we are willing to get it in when we have the nutflushdraw?!
for mediocre hands with draws I would define in PokerJuice tp+gs or better: K: (T9+,Ass),Q: (A,J,T,ss)

for floats lets just assume current dynamics is so high he would not float since I tend to not believe. next time slot I will try to run this into monkersolver free turn sim. btw: what do you think about checking the flop instead of cbetting?

Did u check-out monker for his flop x/r? Obv hero and villain aswell should not x/r that loose imo. Villain as BU is cbetting much tighter and value-heavy here than gto and that play would have a variance'd be quite sick lol afai assume.

In the BU vs CO 3bet-Shortcut he cbets 48% which is fine with such a small sizing but the 25% check-raise is pretty aggro to me lol

for mediocre hands with draws I would define in PokerJuice tp+gs or better: K: (T9+,Ass),Q: (A,J,T,ss)

Villains range prob isnt quite defined and for the equity calcs u gotta check out how much it shifts cause if it is just 1% further increments definements could be in vain. It is more important for our gameplan than for the actual calcs.

Originally posted by efkay
btw: what do you think about checking the flop instead of cbetting?

Originally posted by Mascheran95

Checkin back the flop is an option, as you (reverse-) block his straight outs.

Single :spade:-Blocker would also speak for check-back

I cant check monker flop sim because i dont have a license. the free one is just for turn&river decisions and therefore i have to feed this tool some ranges by myself.

I also saw an editing error in the hand HH: I was not in BTN but in BB therefore we are playing OOP. really sorry for that one

ok np oop we cbet 100% and villain should raise the cbet 15% and call it 40%
We have huge range advantage

Obv nobody is raising here 15% but we cant bet more than 100%

ok so I am currently running my first monkersolver sim ^^ I gave myself $3b8o cbetting 100% flop.
for villain the syntax string was a little more complicated, assuming the above I took the following PPJ syntax:

($fi30!(AA,AKK[T+]:xxyy)):(KK,KQ,K:(T9+,Ass),Q:(A,J,T,ss))!((Q!(A,J,T)),(AK:(As!ss,J,T)),(AJTss, JT9ss))

I excluded not only aces from his $fi30 preflop opening range but also some doublesuited AKKB combos since I know he can 4bet more than Aces but I wanted to be on the conservative side. It is 12% of hands of a preflop total of 27% calling range. i feel like this sounds somewhat like the 40% calling range you mentioned.

actions to solve: bet 40% (what he did), bet 3/4 pot, check behind. I dont feel like betting pot makes sense and also betting smaller than 40% makes sense since he want to build spr1 scenario if get called for river stack off. 75% potbet could make sense for his trips afraid of getting outdrawn.

Results: might be no surprise but we check our Aces on turn like played. in general we check 86% of our range here. seems like monker bets 3/4 with toptrips+fds, smaller bets with KQ+.

when it comes to COs betvs check range he bets the smallish sizing 94%. If there is one idea he might bet bigger on turn it is the top trips+J high fd. now the interesting part is what we call vs his 94% bet vs check:

we fold 84% so my call is bad as you already mentioned. also we checkshove like 12% here, I can see mainly trips with flushdraw but also some Aces+nfd+gs or better. So I guess since we have that range advantage on flop and get called nevertheless we make much profit with the cbet on flop and thats pretty it. floating might be huge profit line for CO, I guess someday buying a monkey license will be very interesting for solving flop. well it was just interesting for me to use this tool because if I dont start to do something I will never be good at it.

Very good studies Sir .

Monker has 3/4 sizing? Plo Vision and other sims only have 1/2 & full pot.

in general we check 86% of our range here

Yea i had the feeling when watching mm vids tue turn should be checked quite frequently oop which was new for me too.

Jnandez has comprimezed those gto concepts very colorful in his vids, maybe start with that and afterwards monker helps a lot in creating and deviating in your gameplan. 15% x/r still kinda complex to solve considering this is just 1 specific scenario. Using bu vs co and sb vs bu in 3bp only is a good starting point

well it was just interesting for me to use this tool because if I dont start to do something I will never be good at it.

Thats perfectly fine. As pokerplayers we wont get our educational material pre-chewed like in school or university, so important to start doing just anything and to also improve your studies slowly step by step.

Monker has 3/4 sizing?

you can set any % of pot as sizing in monker