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QJ - good spot to tripple barrel?

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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

What do you think of the cbetting strategy here?

OTF: I think I would bet a very large part of my range so I bet rather small here, but I am not sure, maybe bigger is better?

OTT: Since villain called on the flop and checks again I do not think he/she has a monster like set, or straight with 86 etc.. Range is capped, he could have QQ-TT, Ax, draws, overcards, rarely KK. I thought the A is a good scare card. It doesn't connect to the board well, so if villain is on a draw it doesn't help him/her. But the A still hits large part of villains range. So maybe not a good 2nd barrel board here?

OTR: I do not have much showdown value, I think. Maybe against a busted draw like T8, but that's it. So I tripple barrel. Would villain fold QQ-TT often enough here? What about the sizing? Go bigger? Or give it up and check behind?

Overall I think it was overplayed, especially vs potential calling station fish.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 111.5 BB
UTG: 91 BB
MP: 32.5 BB
CO: 126.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♠ Q♠

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 7♠ 5♥ 9♥
UTG checks, Hero bets 5 BB, UTG calls 5 BB

Turn: (27.5 BB, 2 players) A♦
UTG checks, Hero bets 17.5 BB, UTG calls 17.5 BB

River: (62.5 BB, 2 players) 4♠
UTG checks, Hero bets 34 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Against a random villain I don't see a point in 3betting against a UTG raise.
QJs can play well in position post-flop and I would just call.

Without much info on villain a Cbet isn't to bad, but I would most likely Cbet at least half pot on a wet board like this. After the Cbet I would just shut down. Off course the turn is a decent barrel card,but against a fish that doesn't like to fold a 3 barrel is to much for sure.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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checkdex
Joined: 17.10.2013

I agree with SDK, on wet board we want to mostly check ,but u comit to the pot with 3bet and dont want to lose your investing chips.


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SittingOuts
Joined: 05.05.2010

Nothing wrong wrong mixing in some 3 bets with those hands, on the button you can also call, but then you open yourself up for a squize from the blinds, so overall the 3 bet is good here.

Flop can be checked, but your sizing is good, like the turn bet, altho would have more credit if you checked the flop. You don't have hearts, so the river bet is fine.. I bet he called you with AQ...


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tieppofer
Joined: 25.01.2009

I don't see a huge problem with that minraise, the problem with NL2 Zoom is that it is really hard to assume ranges only by the villain's actions, I see a lot of people just XC to bait, but as SDK said, you could barrel on the turn, but a 3 barrel in position is a huge overplay, you already commited 31% of your stack and it is unlikely he is going to fold to a 4, X behind is probably the best move here.


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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Originally posted by SittingOuts
I bet he called you with AQ...

Very close, it was AJ


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sidyart
Joined: 09.04.2009

In any case, it couldn't be regarded as a huge mistake - both PF and postflop.
It is quite player-dependent obviously... What one should take out of this hand is how to extract value in the future against similar opponents. Because quite common leak among most of the players would be to bluff this way, but to checkback the river with AQ/AK, being afraid of straights, sets, etc... That's how you'd make your line -EV for sure.
And again - reading players doesn't mean soul-reading or something, but simple tendencies like this one. Ask yourself at some point in the session - should this guy "bravely" check-call three bets like that in similar situation, or should he fold? One has to decisively answer this question to himself way before engaging in such hand...
Cheers and good luck!


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