KK - Axxss board in 4bet pot OOP

villain probably won't bet QQ-TT either. in order to get called by worse, you can cbet very small, which you can afford to do with your entire range.

Originally posted by Tomaloc
villain probably won't bet QQ-TT either. in order to get called by worse, you can cbet very small, which you can afford to do with your entire range.

So bet like 15BB OTF and then x/f x/f?

even less than that, if you want. it's such a large 4bet into a small spr that you have a lot of funky sizing options.

Trying to understand why to bet.
Better hands and FD are not going to fold. So I bet to get a called from worse hands and to balance AK hands, maybe?
It is a very thin value bet so to say?

your range is very strong, so you can bet flop all of it with a sizing that makes it really awkward for villain with any non-Ax hands.
if villain has QQ and faces a 10 BB bet, do they fold? what's the worst hand they call?

i believe that splitting between bets and checks is quite awkward to do, it's too easy to make your checks either too strong or too weak.
"as played", do you have any good Ax that checks flop and turn? villain can probably intend to jam even as low as AJ.

this is all hypothetical, of course. given that your 4bet range is likely very tight and you made it big, villain should also continue very tight preflop, and they just can't have too many Ax.
but when they do, they can consider that you might be playing face up, and then maybe even consider turning pairs into bluffs.

Originally posted by Tomaloc
your range is very strong, so you can bet flop all of it with a sizing that makes it really awkward for villain with any non-Ax hands.
if villain has QQ and faces a 10 BB bet, do they fold? what's the worst hand they call?

i believe that splitting between bets and checks is quite awkward to do, it's too easy to make your checks either too strong or too weak.
"as played", do you have any good Ax that checks flop and turn? villain can probably intend to jam even as low as AJ.

this is all hypothetical, of course. given that your 4bet range is likely very tight and you made it big, villain should also continue very tight preflop, and they just can't have too many Ax.
but when they do, they can consider that you might be playing face up, and then maybe even consider turning pairs into bluffs.

Thanks! Good to know.
I would have folded if villain had jammed.
As I understand betting small OTF prevents being exploited in this spot.

you're making the tree a little simpler, but this spot is not easy.
you can't add a lot of money to the pot without an ace, and you're still out of position.

if you were in position, there would be no problem. when you bet the flop, the SPR becomes <1, and you can plausibly represent a lot of traps when you check behind (check behind turn and jam river), so villain can't stab too wide.
however, out of position, you're forced to allow villain to see you check both turn and river. in practice, people won't really stab you there, as your flop bet is (correctly) perceived to have a lot of Ax - even though the later checks don't...