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PLO20 AT96ss 3bet pot turn line?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Villain was active reggy looking opponent. 27/21, 10% 3bet, 120 hands. No specific postflop reads. Had been fairly aggro postflop overall.

Anyway open raising and easy call versus 3bet. Flop monster with top 2+ nfd so I were ready to stack off or at least call versus x-r. On turn went for half pot thinking I want to keep villain range somewhat wide in the pot with having nut fd also and possibly getting villain to x-r some AQJx type holding as semibluff.

Now there is obviously possibility for AAxx but is that big enough danger to just check turn? Feels too scared imo. I doubt we should bet-fold turn as then check seems lot more sensible option. Of course if its mainly AAxx when villain raise we are really screwed. With just 13€ behind I thought that I cannot really call if I think its just AAxx mostly and if there is enough other stuff then I would be pot committed on most rivers anyway so went with shove. Pot with call would be 63€ so would need to be good like 15% of time on river.

Would someone go for bet-fold trying to get some value and believing its too often AAxx when raise does come? Well maybe we should just check turn as villain has lot more AAxx. Though I could have some AAxx myself as we are 224bb deep at start. Wasnt thrilled to be deep versus this BB villain but on other hand SB was 65/50/25 maniac so even oop I wanted to be deep versus him.

Run It Once Poker, Omaha Pot Limit - €0.10/€0.20 - 4 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

Mercedes T (UTG): €22.28 (111 bb)
Ghaleon (BU): €44.74 (224 bb)
Melvin W (SB): €42.34 (212 bb)
Sandra E (BB): €74.65 (373 bb)

Pre-Flop: (€0.30) Hero (Ghaleon) is BTN with T 6 9 A
1 fold, Ghaleon (BU) raises to €0.70, 1 fold, Sandra E (BB) 3-bets to €2.20, Ghaleon (BU) calls €1.50

Flop: (€4.50) 9 T 5 (2 players)
Sandra E (BB) checks, Ghaleon (BU) bets €3.23, Sandra E (BB) calls €3.23

Turn: (€10.96) A (2 players)
Sandra E (BB) checks, Ghaleon (BU) bets €5.24, Sandra E (BB) raises to €26.19, Ghaleon (BU) raises to €39.31 (all-in), Sandra E (BB) calls €13.12


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

I also bet flop half pot here as a default. :Ax::Ax: are blocked restrictively to A♠:A♥: so there are less of :Ax::Ax: around.

Turn checking behind is probably the standard play with our whole range here as the A♣: improves villains 3-bet range more than ours and we also lack slightly in polarity advantage. However since our relative handstrength is so strong I´d still go for value and bet it and our particular hand fits very well to chase medium-strength defending combo-hands. We also have safe nfd back-up equity vs x/r and implieds allowing us to def call. Fearing the possibility of a check-raise actually is not a reason to restrain from betting. This is true for a lot more hands of your turn range and if we get raised we can reevaluate and take note villain is capable of making such moves in 3bp´s.

But the turn reshove is pretty bad I´d say. If reg villain is on a bluff, we only are able to stack him off if he decides to continue otr and if he is strong he will actually never fold against the reshove anyways. We selectively fold on several non-:diamond: :Kx:, :Qx:, :Jx:, :8x: and maybe :7x: river cards which increases our overall EV. So there is no value in 3betting the turn imo.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Yeah I understand logic to call turn but didn't really think he would raise that big necessarily with no equity hand. He needs 15% equity to call and it's sort of hard to not have it. So didn't expect to have any fe. Also at some point I would expect we want to shove to evade making possibly bad river folds. E.g. river comes 8 and villain decides to ship some AQJx etc.

Now if he has like AT or AA he probably calls even if river complete flush.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by ghaleon
He needs 15% equity to call and it's sort of hard to not have it. So didn't expect to have any fe. Also at some point I would expect we want to shove to evade making possibly bad river folds.

Aaah yes. And with the pot-sized raise we likely need 33% equity to call. With nutflushdraw we hold 7 clean outs so we have 15% direct equity for sure. With so many of his :Ax::Ax: combos blocked (to be exactly only 1/6 of :Ax::Ax: are A♥:A♠: ) we have to take into account, that T♣:, T♦:, 9♥:, 9♣:, A♥: and A♠: are often good to us aswell so I would take those and weight it by the factor of 0.83 which adds another 5 outs improving our equity to 27,3%.

The Break-even point for implied-odds is at (42,39$ pot + 13,12$ implied-value) / 20,95$ call = 2.65 : 1 which equals 27,4% Equity required (just like 0,1% missing). Ik there is rake but since villain might have some semi-bluffs, weaker made hands than set (!) or crazy moments from time to time we are pretty sure well above that BE-threshold so I would not fold if I think villain is going to give us the remaining 13,12$ when the :diamond:-flush arrives on the river.

And it is a huge misconception it would reduce our overall Equity if we have to fold selectively on rivers so we just prefold to obey that "giving up money in the middle of a street is costly" adivse. Villain might raise perfectly here but according to GTO we both have to go broke here several times and in general against good opponents such a thing happens quite often. So meaning he has a hand does not mean we have to fold if we have equity against it. And the fact that villain is allowed to call does not mean we should not bet. In general the game is designed as a circle where money goes back and forth and edges shift to the marginal spots if both players approach GTO in some way. So defending the turn by a call and folding rivers selectively when equity is on the borders has the potential of increasing our overall-EV from what I´ve known.


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