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PLO25 AKK6ss 3bet 3way pot, cbet-fold flop?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
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UTG had been fairly active open raising so I decided to 3bet with A blocker. CO had recently come on table. No reads.

I thought this flop is sort of good for me. Also blocking 66 but should I still fold versus this raise? Just felt so unlikely for player cold calling 3bet to have 3.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010
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Easy fold. That is not a bluff often enough.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010
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Without reads I´d fold too. Otherwise it is highly player-depandant since static paired flops are heavily frequency-driven.

But usually a bluffraise would not be a pot-sized shove.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
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Ok yeah I tend to be too sticky in these spots. Btw villain had 4322ss...

What if flop has flush draw? Still folding as default?


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Mascherano95
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Originally posted by ghaleon
Ok yeah I tend to be too sticky in these spots. Btw villain had 4322ss...

What if flop has flush draw? Still folding as default?

At the first I´d say yes fold too. To not bombard you with naked personal assumptions I just checked some numbers with PPT:

As we said on the dry board we don´t have sufficient Equity (around 22%) so it´s a clear fold. To make a call we need 33%, close to half of a part of a 20% range that ships (:6x: :6x:, :3x:, :Kx: :Kx:+, fd´s) could be flushdraws so it depends if villain

1. shoves :Qx: :Qx:, maybe even :Jx: :Jx:. If he does not
2. how many of his flushdraws he is willing to ship?

If he ships any pair :7x: :7x:+flushdraw we can make a slightly +EV-call with around 36% Equity. If the portion is lower which I would say is more likely the case I´d still fold to not gii in spots I am not fammiliar with.


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Kyyberi
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With fd on flop, easy fold.

Problem is that with dry overpair the best case scenario is him semibluffing and you having 40-50% equity. Worst case scenario is 2 outs. Versus his overall range you are so far behind that stacking off is highly -EV.

I can't remember when I have seen big raise on paired flop as a bluff in 3bet pots.


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Mascherano95
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Originally posted by Kyyberi
With fd on flop, easy fold.

Problem is that with dry overpair the best case scenario is him semibluffing and you having 40-50% equity. Worst case scenario is 2 outs. Versus his overall range you are so far behind that stacking off is highly -EV.

I can't remember when I have seen big raise on paired flop as a bluff in 3bet pots.

Agree, this is a spot where players usually tend to not overbluff so fold is the default route.


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