Zoom ZH - QQ call 3bet ip vs SB

I dont think we can fold on the turn because we have a good FD and are getting 3:1 odds on a call. I think we have to fold on the river. We are losing to boats, flushes and Kx. The only thing we are beating feels like a Ax of hearts turned bluff. I would fold without reads. At 2nl opponents underbluff rivers

Thanks again Casey!

I guess you are right. I think I might be calling riverbets too often. Even though I think his lines are weird, this could just be one of those weird spots where he did check KK, TT or fd on the flop. Maybe it's even more likely because regs like to take alternative lines against me (I am parttime reg :f_biggrin:).

And it is a good thing to know opponents underbluff rivers at these stakes, I should be folding more often probably otr.

QQ would be a decent hand to 4bet for value with I think. Problem with calling is that there is a chance you face at least 1 over card on the flop and than you will play a guessing game in position.

Villains line is rather interesting. Checking flop and check/raising turn seems weird with in mind if villain has a flush now you expect villain would Cbet the flop. Also a set seems unlikely. Those hands should Cbet for value and protection on the flop.

After the call on the turn I would most likely fold the river. You have a bluff catcher, but you beat not all villains bluffs. Kx for example would be a bluff on a board like this.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Thank you SDK!
Indeed it's just a bluff cattcher and I should have folded.

3betting thing from SB is about having bad position and BB left to act. So if SB call he will play out of position always, has worse price than from BB, opens door for BB to 3bet (called squeeze when there is caller) and offer BB great price to also call. If BB call SB is on so called sandwich position postflop meaning he has to worry about player behind if facing preflop aggressor cbet.

Also there is aspect of rake in cash games which often work so that you don't pay any rake if you take pot down preflop.

All those things combined might make it reasonable tactic to not have any/almost any call range especially versus late position opens. Also 3betting decreases stack to pot ratio (SPR) for postflop which will decrease positional disadvantage for SB.

For hand itself I would 4bet pre with plan to stack off. Should be standard in late positions 100bb deep. AA and KK are both more reasonable for occasional slow play.

I don't mind heroes line postflop but I tend to be call happy sort anyway