Protection on turn

I think a 2/3 pot on the flop is big enough for the c-bet. your doing that thing again where your too concerned with being outdrawn, 2/3 should be a fine bet here I think on the flop. On the turn I would bet 2/3 again , jamming doesn't accomplish anything , you make villain fold all his draws because he has no pot odds, you make him fold all his marginal/ middle pair hands and he will call with hands that have great equity against you like sets and combo draws possibly.

EDIT: looked at the results, guy is a fish I would take a note on him that he plays this way, I don't think decent players are calling a pot sized bet with OESD including the fact a J♦: or 6♦: may not be clean outs

if you play this way all the time I am pretty confident your missing a ton of value because your opponent's are likely to fold a ton of their weaker hands that would call a smaller bet, not that you want them to hang around on this specific flop but in general.

I think both call and 3bet are fine preflop. Being on deep stacks 3bet can bring some tough spots.

Flop I would check as default but if having passive reads on villain postflop approach cbet-fold is possibly best. Problem in cbetting is that this flop favour villain range lot more and if facing raise we probably have to fold. If cbetting I would also go smaller as default.

As played I like turn shove especially on this lucky turn card. If we are beat we lose our stack anyway and with this SPR smaller bet will just create very low SPR river spots where we are quite pot committed. E.g. if we use that 2/3 so let's say 65bb pot will be 230bb on river. So not too many rivers we want to fold having 55bb behind at that point.

So turn shove is fine. But I would question more flop size. It can be fine of we don't force villain to fold too much. Though again if we face raise what is plan?

PS: BTW we are not worried of straights really that much but more about two pairs, sets, JJ, QQ and draws.

I said above lucky turn card and I would like to ask what turn cards are we happy to see?

Originally posted by Casey55
I think a 2/3 pot on the flop is big enough for the c-bet. your doing that thing again where your too concerned with being outdrawn, 2/3 should be a fine bet here I think on the flop. On the turn I would bet 2/3 again , jamming doesn't accomplish anything , you make villain fold all his draws because he has no pot odds, you make him fold all his marginal/ middle pair hands and he will call with hands that have great equity against you like sets and combo draws possibly.

Well I do get outdrawn quite often, look

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Jokes aside, my top pair is quite vulnerable there and I want to protect it. I dont want to give them pot odds, but as you can see they love to call against the odds.

Originally posted by Casey55

EDIT: looked at the results, guy is a fish I would take a note on him that he plays this way, I don't think decent players are calling a pot sized bet with OESD including the fact a J♦: or 6♦: may not be clean outs

if you play this way all the time I am pretty confident your missing a ton of value because your opponent's are likely to fold a ton of their weaker hands that would call a smaller bet, not that you want them to hang around on this specific flop but in general.

No, I dont play like this all of the time. Have to admit that I was bit tilted at that moment. Size of my cbet is usually anywhere between 1/2-3/4 pot, depends of the preflop action, board,opponents and my cards. I am not trying to extract value here, I was happy with what I've got but he just didnt want to fold ♦
On such board I want to avoid tricky spots as that river card.

Originally posted by ghaleon
I think both call and 3bet are fine preflop. Being on deep stacks 3bet can bring some tough spots.

So turn shove is fine. But I would question more flop size. It can be fine of we don't force villain to fold too much. Though again if we face raise what is plan?

PS: BTW we are not worried of straights really that much but more about two pairs, sets, JJ, QQ and draws.

3bet was just fight for blinds, was expecting him to fold after that. First I thought that he is just stealing.

Would probably fold the flop if there was the raise, because my line was quite strong and I dont think that anything worse than set would raise there.
I was not worried so much about overpair because people in NL2 zoom love to 4-bet and go all in from the button with TT and better, but was not sure if he is Ax suited or suited connectors or 99. It is really hard to give range to unknown in NL2, but it was good guess this time.

Originally posted by ghaleon
I said above lucky turn card and I would like to ask what turn cards are we happy to see?

Anything worse than 6 and not diamonds would make me happy because I think small PP would fold on the flop. K or Q wouldn't scare me, J would make me think about that straight and any diamond would scare me. If that was scenario, would probably x/f turn

I think it is not a good idea to play so deep.
The strategies change significantly when we are so deep and if we apply what we learned from the 100bb game we will make a lot of huge mistakes.

So only play deep when you have a massive edge, that is when opponents make even bigger mistakes than you.

Especially when playing Zoom it is super easy to sit out and rejoin with 100bb.

I like a bit deeper, much better, but when I have about 200 bbs I usually cash out. Playing deeper effectively play more nut-type hands like suited Aces. I also try to play more connectors and not su much (1)-gappers as when they make the nuts they can always be outdrawn except on the river (duh). But that's me.

I actually enjoy playing deep, gives me much more flexibility. For example I can call other deep stack's 3bet with small PP for pure set value. With 100bb I would have to fold.

Originally posted by monteCarlol

The strategies change significantly when we are so deep and if we apply what we learned from the 100bb game we will make a lot of huge mistakes.

So only play deep when you have a massive edge, that is when opponents make even bigger mistakes than you.

Especially when playing Zoom it is super easy to sit out and rejoin with 100bb.

Yes, strategy is changing and I am adapting. I guess that is habit from SSS time when I was playing short stacked until winning a decent pot. After that I would adapt my strategy and keep playing instead of leaving the table.
Honestly, this habit of pushing people all in as soon as I see the opportunity is SSS habit. Then I was also playing with 2$stack, but in NL10
And yes, at NL2 there are still plenty of worse players than me. Cant say the same for NL5 though