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PakerFace
Joined: 19.09.2010

SB seems to be a rock and BB is a loose player.
We are 4way on the flop and BB bets the pot.
I expect here ready made straights but we do draw to the nuts and I decided to call.
Turn brings us a second pair along with the NFD and facing another bet from BB I decided to shove with a low SPR.

Fold turn?

PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $5.28 (105.6 bb)
SB: $4.92 (98.4 bb)
BB: $5.39 (107.8 bb)
Hero (UTG): $6.46 (129.2 bb)
MP: $12.33 (246.6 bb)
CO: $16.84 (336.8 bb)

SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A♣: 8♥: A♠: 5♣:
Hero raises to $0.17, MP calls $0.17, 2 folds, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.68, 4 players) 8♣: T♣: 7♥:
SB checks, BB bets $0.65, Hero calls $0.65, MP calls $0.65, fold

Turn: ($2.63, 3 players) 5♠:
BB bets $2.53, Hero raises to $5.64 and is all-in, MP raises to $11.51 and is all-in, BB calls $2.04 and is all-in

River: ($18.48, 3 players) T♥:


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Nasty spot in flop. Its not that bad if we knew that we get people along from behind as that will improve our pot odds and implieds. Perhaps bit nitty but I would fold flop. As played I would call turn having possibly 4 more outs but again its really marginal.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

If you assume that opponent has the straight, you would need to get an additional $1,30 or more from him if you hit the flush on the turn. Problem is that not all players call a big bet with straight if flush completes, as your hand looks a lot like a flush draw (or a set).

If there would have been a caller before you, required implied odds would be smaller.

On the other hand, you have position, so getting value for one big bet is sometimes doable. There are players who will not fold straight when flush completes. But to make the call here on the flop I would like to have that read on opponent. Without reads, it becomes a mathematical fold.

On the turn, raising is just burning money. You could call, you have a bit less than required pot odds but you have implied odds for the remaining of your stack often (villain thinks he is pot committed and calls any river). One problem is that MP most likely has some of your outs, but on the other hand if he calls there's more money in the pot (and therefore pot odds are better).

But fold flop, calling is not profitable in the long run. And a lot of players slowly bleed money away by calling big bets with naked flush draws.


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

Originally posted by Kyyberi
If you assume that opponent has the straight, you would need to get an additional $1,30 or more from him if you hit the flush on the turn. Problem is that not all players call a big bet with straight if flush completes, as your hand looks a lot like a flush draw (or a set).

If there would have been a caller before you, required implied odds would be smaller.

On the other hand, you have position, so getting value for one big bet is sometimes doable. There are players who will not fold straight when flush completes. But to make the call here on the flop I would like to have that read on opponent. Without reads, it becomes a mathematical fold.

On the turn, raising is just burning money. You could call, you have a bit less than required pot odds but you have implied odds for the remaining of your stack often (villain thinks he is pot committed and calls any river). One problem is that MP most likely has some of your outs, but on the other hand if he calls there's more money in the pot (and therefore pot odds are better).

But fold flop, calling is not profitable in the long run. And a lot of players slowly bleed money away by calling big bets with naked flush draws.

Is it really naked FD when he had overpair AA too?


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Versus straight, yeah. He had backdoor boat draw, but the chance to make that is so small that it doesn't really affect the situation.


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

OKi, understand.


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