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60$ | FR | Turnplay | Q8s

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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

hi,

who do you think about shoving this on one the turn? I could also just call it but decided to fold because I dont know how many outs I really have mway. I folded because I think its the saver approach here

Chico - 140/280 Ante 35 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

MP+1: 16,410 (58.6 bb)
CO: 17,823 (63.7 bb)
BTN: 8,228 (29.4 bb)
SB: 10,665 (38.1 bb)
Hero (BB): 18,368 (65.6 bb)
UTG: 23,381 (83.5 bb)
UTG+1: 12,522 (44.7 bb)
MP: 11,008 (39.3 bb)

8 players post ante of 35, SB posts 140, Hero posts BB 280

Pre Flop: (pot: 700) Hero has Q 8
UTG raises to 700, 2 folds, MP+1 calls 700, CO calls 700, 2 folds, Hero calls 420

Flop: (3,220, 4 players) J 5 T
Hero checks, UTG bets 1,610, MP+1 calls 1,610, CO calls 1,610, Hero calls 1,610

Turn: (9,660, 4 players) Q
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP+1 checks, CO bets 4,830, Hero folds, fold, MP+1 calls 4,830

River: (19,320, 2 players) 2
MP+1 checks, CO checks

Spoiler

Results: 19,320 pot (0 rake)
Final Board: J 5 T Q 2

MP+1 shows K J: (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 25%, Flop 15%, Turn 17%)

CO shows A J: (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 75%, Flop 85%, Turn 83%)

CO wins 19,320


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I would just x-r to 6k or so on flop as our hand does well enough overall (decent fd, gutshot and overcard) and that way we can attempt to create fe and we remove our positional disadvantage. Even x-r shove is viable I suppose but its kind of big sizing. With passive line getting value is bit tricky being in worst position. We can of course donk bet but on like 5♣: it looks really strong.

Not sure if we get top pair or overpair hands to fold with x-r but it does put those hands into really tricky spot if villains are thinking players because range is so strong versus 3 opponents.

As played turn is indeed awkward. Main question is if we assume Q to have actual showdown value and I think it should be very low. All improvements outside of flush are bit questionable and of course even flush is not always alive. Not sure its close one. Q9cc I would call for sure if I somehow didnt raise it on flop.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Interesting hand for sure, but most of the time I would raise the flop and with your stack a over shove isn't to crazy ether with in mind you need to raise half your stack with 1 bet and 3 callers in front of you.

The turn is tricky, but tough to fold top pair and a flush draw I think.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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