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[PLO5] KK72ss bb defend vs UTG - River ok?

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naDanje
Joined: 01.04.2007

what do you guys think ?

Xeester - Cash game GGPoker
Blindes : 0.02 $/0.05 $
[SB] Player 2 (10.84 $)
[BB] HERO (26.08 $)
[UTG] Player 4 (8.49 $)
[HJ] Player 5 (13.04 $)
[CO] Player 6 (30.16 $)
[BTN] Player 1 (5.82 $)
BLINDS-ANTES
Player 2 [SB] : Posts small blind 0.02$
HERO [BB] : Posts big blind 0.05$
PREFLOP K♦ K♠ 7♦ 2♣
Player 4 [UTG] : Raises 0.17$
Player 5 [HJ] : Folds
Player 6 [CO] : Folds
Player 1 [BTN] : Folds
Player 2 [SB] : Folds
HERO [BB] : Calls 0.12$
FLOP J♠ 4♦ T♦
HERO [BB] : Checks
Player 4 [UTG] : Bets 0.18$
HERO [BB] : Calls 0.18$
TURN J♠ 4♦ T♦ 3♠
HERO [BB] : Checks
Player 4 [UTG] : Bets 0.36$
HERO [BB] : Calls 0.36$
RIVER J♠ 4♦ T♦ 3♠ 9♣
HERO [BB] : Bets 1.44$


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

I don't get why you donk river tbh. I would check and reeval. Can you shot potsize somehow?

I think you have a condensed range who is good as a bluffcatcher.

Looks like you are scared of a cheap SD for him. I would in his shoes just overfold.

Keep in mind reads may change that.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Well hero loves the spot if villain is overfolding as river donk bet is bluff trying to get hands like AA, two pairs and sets to fold.

Preflop, flop and turn are fine versus half pot sizes. With KK72r I would just fold pre. If villain pots turn I would fold also but versus half pot can't fold really.

So river is interesting street here. One issue is that there are two fd that busts. I don't like bluffing these spots that much as we tend to face lot of hero calls imo. Also QQ would be more effective bluff hand as we lose to one more pocket and more importantly also block both nuts and 2nd nuts.

So from my experience just x-f river as default line. If river had been like 9♠: it would be much better spot to bluff.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Half a pot sizing is a bit weird, but it's PLO5.

Am I the only one who even thinks about raising flop vs half a pot at PLO5?


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

If you want raise flop what do you want to accomplish? Go broke if he gives more action? And if so why not 3 betting the pre? Or is this just an exploitable line for value for you? Is half pot bet weak in PLO? Like 2bb or 1bb NL. Like bet is same as check?


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naDanje
Joined: 01.04.2007

raising crossed my mind too, as it just seems weak, people who don't understand will do this with some pair + weaker fd in my experience, which also lead me to barreling river as i did, since i've put him on a fd+ maybe something.
And he just kept giving me the price to continue befor, so decided against raising and just continue see the next card.
On the river blocking KQ had just figured that its probably best chance to take down the pot and not run into 2pairs with busted fd - people on plo5 for sure overfold here / its not common that people would bluff this spot or have the need to bluffcatch here because it would almost never pay off.

i like the idea of QQ being better to do the same in this spot, since we are also blocking the lower end straights a bit. but i would've probably not called this pre (QQ72ss)^^
My hand to defend feels quite ok imo vs 1 opponent, don't think one should have to fold this(but agree, likely also not a mistake to let it go), especially being quite deep (160bb-ish) with KKss we have enough nut potential vs 1 to play for stacks on some boards imo and its a hand that is hard to get entangled with in a bad way, easy to let go off in many scenarios if we don't get a good chunk of equity on the flop... but ofc in general it doesn't flop very smooth and see why one would see it as a fold.

@maniac yes half pott is just not enough to defend almost any hand here on the flop and represents very little. there is a bagillion hands that can continue vs half pot on this board, so you wanna go ~75% pot at least (just many draws possible that continue) - if it was a 6d instead of 4d i would even tend to go 90% because board becomes even more dynamic and so many turns become hard to continue on.


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PakerFace
Joined: 19.09.2010

I can see a hand like AQxxdd betting a half pot there to keep lower flushes in.


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