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[PLO2] KK75d A high flop turn decision

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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

villain is vpip64 pfr38 Agr33

I think preflop+flop is ok.

On turn having straightblocker, unblocking clubs and facing a half psb I have a feeling check/fold is too weak?!

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BB: $8.07 (403.5 bb)
CO: $1.27 (63.5 bb)
BTN: $3.25 (162.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.73 (136.5 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 7♦: 5♠: K♠: K♦:
CO calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.24, 2 players) T♣: A♦: 9♣:
Hero bets $0.11, BTN calls $0.11

Turn: ($0.46, 2 players) 6♥:
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.22


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BradNitt
Joined: 22.07.2011

Preflop is fine
Flop I would check/fold already.

Even though it's Ace high, the Board is super wet and we have very little FE by just one Bet usually, but our Hand has no further playability or Blockers. One of our Kings brings Flush and Straight could be possible as well, so no clean Outs at all to justify a Bet. And as the Board is so wet, we also don't want to bet close to 100%, and folding a decent Amount is not too weak imo.
Turn to check call again is just level yourself in imo. Villain barrels again, so its likely were already toasted and we have no decent Options to make some plays at the River or just very little by using the 7, which could either lead to desperate Moves too often if we want to save our Investment or we just put some more Chips in the Pot where we never can call again^^ Instead of keeping us out and just check/ fold Flop or maybe spike some Equity with free Cards.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Two things:

I would like a bigger sizing on a flop, as the board is far from dry. Second, although Axx flop is good for preflop raiser range, versus 64/38 it doesn't matter at all. It's all about how your hand hits the board. You miss the board. If you bet, he is calling very often and your hand doesn't improve on the turn.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

It's also noteworthy that we have some showdown value. There are scenarios where flop goes checked and we might get chance to use hand as x-c or bluff if we feel it's good idea versus this opponent. Sometimes it goes checked to showdown and KK is good.

Just getting feeling hero might think check is same as give up and lose. Though of course some of these type of players are very bet happy versus check. If that is case we can also go for some x-r with some strong hands to attack that.


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

aah I knew we dont cbet these wet a high flops 100% but we also check/fold with bdfd?

I did checkfold turn, just wanted to see if I was just autopiloting :f_drink:

@kyyberi: when you want to bet bigger you basically saying youd pot?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I would like to have bit more with the hand to cbet. Like K♣: would give some more barreling possibilities and bit more fe. Or KKJT for some nut equity and blocking some made hands That as default approach. Versus this sort of villain you likely want to go more value heavy as big bluffs should be avoided. Also could apply for limit in general.

3/4 pot is standard cbet size for me and would use that as my default if betting. Half pot is kind of meh in dynamic flops like this as it gives too good odds for draws. At same time we don't necessarily want to pot as that becomes quite big investment and tightens our range.

Basically I use 3/4 pot in single raised pots as default then as exceptions:
- Paired flops 1/3 or 1/2
- Monotone 1/2
- straight 1/2 or 3/4

Plus sometimes just potting in multiway pots where any betting is sort of polarized anyway. Another exception could be very call happy player when having value hand. Just pot if villain call his gutshot anyway.


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

I really dont know why I thought this is a 3bet pot now Im seeing its just SRP and therefore SPR>4 I also bet wet flops 2/3 instead of 1/2.

maybe it is the currrent heatwave that makes me see things :f_ugly:


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