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ZOOM KK vs dry flop reraise

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KoningAlbert
Joined: 09.06.2009

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $6.11 (306 bb)
MP: $3.38 (169 bb)
CO: $2.00 (100 bb)
BU: $5.36 (268 bb)
SB: $5.52 (276 bb)
BB (Hero): $2.16 (108 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with K K
UTG raises to $0.07, 4 players fold, Hero 3-bets to $0.28, UTG calls $0.21

Flop: ($0.57) 3 8 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.28, UTG raises to $0.84, Hero ?

Do you stack off here?


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

Readless, I stack off 110% of the time. If he shows AA or set, so be it.


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EnriqueBunbury
Joined: 20.05.2010

Hello,

Call flop, in villain's range there are worse hands that can play like this.
Without reuploading data you could isolate yourself with some set, that if NH Sir carries it, you will still eat it. But only by paying you leave your entire range within, both the one that beats you and the one that you have dominated.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Without any info on the villain in this hand calling a raise or shoving are both decent options on NL2 I think.
I would expect if you shove you haven't much fold equity with the current stack dynamic with only $1,04 more behind and villain could have top pair here.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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FriskyArt
Joined: 27.10.2009

Originally posted by EnriqueBunbury
Hello,

Call flop, in villain's range there are worse hands that can play like this.
Without reuploading data you could isolate yourself with some set, that if NH Sir carries it, you will still eat it. But only by paying you leave your entire range within, both the one that beats you and the one that you have dominated.

I didn't understand the first part of the sentence but that last bit -even though I doubt if it's applicable to NL2- is real good advice.


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

This is like what you were asking here in reverse.

https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=3349498#post3349498

I find it hard to fold here vs unknown. Players at 2NL tend to overplay TP, I know I do.


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EnriqueBunbury
Joined: 20.05.2010

Originally posted by FriskyArt

Originally posted by EnriqueBunbury
Hello,

Call flop, in villain's range there are worse hands that can play like this.
Without reuploading data you could isolate yourself with some set, that if NH Sir carries it, you will still eat it. But only by paying you leave your entire range within, both the one that beats you and the one that you have dominated.

I didn't understand the first part of the sentence but that last bit -even though I doubt if it's applicable to NL2- is real good advice.

Sorry, I don't know how to write well in English, that's why it may not be understood.
I was saying, there are worse hands in the opponent's range that can raise the Cbet


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KoningAlbert
Joined: 09.06.2009

So do I understand you correctly

By simply calling down till the end?
If he's got a set villain has played well?


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

If you call, pot will have $2.25 before turn card. You will have $1.04 behind.

Unless turn is a A for you to fold more easily, or a K to put you miles ahead, there is absolutely no difference. You are behind what you are now, and ahead of what you are now.

I can't fold that overpair in NL2, so I shove, instead of waiting for villain to put me AI.

I understand that by raising I can arguably throw away opponent weaker range and keep only the range that beats me, but honestly, does anyone doubt villain will do that move and call with TT, JJ, AQ, KQ, QJ? I'd rather pay his set OTF, than allow him a free J, T (...) on the turn, or even a 9 for str8.

Not that it matters in zoom, but if you are going to fold every flop where you have an overpair and vaillain raises, you'll be quite exploitable. In regular tables, usually there are notes, but I need very good notes and slightly messier board to fold that kind of hands.


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