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KQs TP vs SB unknown aggression

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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

No info on villain. Only 50 hands, playing 17/5.
This hand is puzzling me. I am not sure if I played it correctly. Would like your thoughts. Later I will add GTO wizard actions to discussion.

PokerStars - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 148.3 BB
CO: 129.3 BB
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 115.1 BB
BB: 18.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ Q♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, SB raises to 7 BB, fold, Hero calls 4.6 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 2 players) 4♠ 3♣ K♣
SB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (35 BB, 2 players) 7♠
SB bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

River: (61 BB, 2 players) 9♠
SB bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Villain seems really tight. If you didn't play in position I would even consider to fold.
Now calling is fine Post-fop seems pretty standard. No point in raising and you get decent odds to call villain down.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

Originally posted by SDK1987
Villain seems really tight. If you didn't play in position I would even consider to fold.
Now calling is fine Post-fop seems pretty standard. No point in raising and you get decent odds to call villain down.

Cheers,
SDK1987

That was my thought. If villain betted larger, I would've considered a fold (hard, but hopefully I'd found it).
I think both played this hand in a standard way, but I was not convinced, so I ran it through GTO wizard.
GTO wizard advocates for a shove OTT. I couldn't get that line, as we have some value and we transform it simple bluff, without much FE from best hands (AA, AK) and with a hard time to be called by worst (KJ, JJ, QQ...).
Do you have any idea about GTO option? I'm really having a hard time understanding it


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

GTO wizard advocates for a shove OTT. I couldn't get that line, as we have some value and we transform it simple bluff, without much FE from best hands (AA, AK) and with a hard time to be called by worst (KJ, JJ, QQ...).
Do you have any idea about GTO option? I'm really having a hard time understanding it

Solvers take lines I don't really understand. Vs that villain I think it was played correct. Very difficult to fold vs those bet sizes. When I run this through a solver it says fold on the flop, I may be doing something wrong.


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

Pre is barely a 3-bet out of the SB, we call it's fine.

Flop, no point in raising here, we call.

Turn vs this sizing I raise here. Usually when someone on this limit goes roughly the same size on flop and turn, (thus really small on turn compared to the pot), they are on a draw and want to see them cheap. It's either that or an underpair like QQ, JJ, TT. Our hand needs protection from clubs and spades. Villain seems fishy taking this line and I will charge him here. If he 3-bets turn it's easy fold.


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frib
Joined: 26.08.2006

Can you post a screenshot? I would assume there is some form of input error on your side 😂

Note about GTOwiz: It assumes a GTO preflop range, villain is likely much tighter. AAs played, I think calldown is the way to go.

In the sim, I assume you are close to top of your range (don’t have it open right now, but I assume that most 2 pairs fold pre, even the low sets will only call fractionally, and AK/KK+ are 4bets). Hence shove turn because you need to have a shoving range to be able to bluff here.


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

Can you post a screenshot? I would assume there is some form of input error on your side 😂

It's open source solver, Desktop Post Flop, so I am not sure how accurate this is compared with Pio or GTOWiz

If I add more hands to IP calling range then it becomes a call sometimes, strange though. Equilab for me rather.


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

I inputed the hand as copied from PT4, didn't change villain stats, treated him like a complete unknown.

On equilab, I think his range to be sometging like

Board: 4♠K♣3♣ 7♠
       Equity  Vencer  Empate
BU     41.35%  33.73%   7.62% { KdQd }
BB     58.65%  51.03%   7.62% { AA, KhKs, 7d7h, 7d7c, 7h7c, AhKh, AsKs, AsQs, AcQc, KhQh, KsQs, AsJs, AcJc, KhJh, KsJs, AsTs, AcTc, AdKh, AdKs, AhKs, AsKh, AcKh, AcKs, KhQs, KhQc, KsQh, KsQc, KhJd, KhJs, KhJc, KsJd, KsJh, KsJc }


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H0witzer
Joined: 27.02.2023

Interesting hand and GTO discussion. Can we have some more input from some experienced members?


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