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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

Just reviewed this in GTOWizard and it says this was correctly played. Villain should have AK/AQ/AJ/AT/A5/KQ/KJ/KT - the diamond variants obv. for shoving the turn. He should have TT/JJ/QQ and sometimes KK for value. AA should actually go in his checking range. According to GTOWizard on the turn we should call 66+, all 78s and 76s and some flushdraws (AK/AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ).

I don't feel good about the hand though. Was this correct? I feel like they don't have as much bluffs as GTOW is assuming and I will run into their valuehands too often here.

GG Poker - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 100 BB
MP: 50.4 BB
CO: 54.12 BB
Hero (BTN): 104.68 BB
SB: 99.8 BB
BB: 194.92 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8♠ 8♦

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, BB raises to 21 BB, fold, Hero calls 16 BB

Flop: (43.4 BB, 2 players) 7♥ 2♦ 9♠
BB bets 21.72 BB, Hero calls 21.72 BB

Turn: (86.84 BB, 2 players) 5♦
BB bets 152.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 61.96 BB and is all-in

Spoiler

River: (210.76 BB, 2 players) Q♣

BB cashed out 172.44 BB for a fee of 0 BB

BB shows A♠ A♣ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 80%, Flop 87%, Turn 86%)
Hero shows 8♠ 8♦ (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 20%, Flop 13%, Turn 14%)


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

I think your iso raise is too big, I would also fold preflop to huge 3bet. Other alternative is shove - call given sizing is probably worst option.

I feel like they don't have as much bluffs as GTOW is assuming and I will run into their valuehands too often here.

Probably that true, especially if we add fact that a lot of weaker players advertise their strong hand by increasing sizing(like this 3bet to 21bb).


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu
I think your iso raise is too big, I would also fold preflop to huge 3bet. Other alternative is shove - call given sizing is probably worst option.

This fish was calling the iso regardless of size, so I made it bigger vs him. I like to make it larger when I"m in position and have a range advantage.

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu

I feel like they don't have as much bluffs as GTOW is assuming and I will run into their valuehands too often here.

Probably that true, especially if we add fact that a lot of weaker players advertise their strong hand by increasing sizing(like this 3bet to 21bb).

Yes, I agree with this. Pre is a mistake. Should've just folded. I think I leveled myself there a bit. Thank you. :f_love:


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

This fish was calling the iso regardless of size, so I made it bigger vs him.

You should raise wide range against fish so you shouldn't go big unless you want other regs to print more on you when they 3bet.


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LookAwayNow
Joined: 30.06.2011

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu

This fish was calling the iso regardless of size, so I made it bigger vs him.

You should raise wide range against fish so you shouldn't go big unless you want other regs to print more on you when they 3bet.

Makes sense, thank you. I will adjust my iso-sizing. Sometimes I get so focussed on the fish that I forget about all the other players.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

If villain called on any iso sizing I don't think making it bigger helps much anyway.
Than I would iso only more with the top of my range. It's expoitable off course, but I don't think a fish paid to much attention to this.
3x in position is big enough and against a more than 4x 3bet I need good reads to call.
You only call for set value most of the time and you're not deep enough for this.
As played it's tough to believe villain would barrel twice with only ace high. That makes it easpecially on the turn a easy fold I think.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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