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AQo on SB vs CO, 3bet, TBAI bluff

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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100.4 BB
Hero (SB): 100.4 BB
BB: 119.52 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 101.4 BB
CO: 162.16 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♥ A♠

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9.88 BB, fold, CO calls 7.68 BB

Flop: (20.76 BB, 2 players) 8♣ 7♠ K♣
Hero bets 7.28 BB, CO calls 7.28 BB

Turn: (35.32 BB, 2 players) T♠
Hero bets 18.4 BB, CO calls 18.4 BB

River: (72.12 BB, 2 players) 4♥
Hero bets 64.84 BB and is all-in

Spoiler

, fold

Hero shows Q♥ A♠ (High Card, Ace)

Hero wins 67.64 BB

Interesting to learn that solver prefers check on turn.

The villain is a tag who knows things.

Thoughts?


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

I can't say nothing, without knowing the other parts on your range OTF, OTT, OTR...I mean for the triple barrel bluff..OTF I saw already how you play with other hands...Will be fine, I guess, but OTT can be too much..To much bluff...I don't know really. Probably it is too much..You should prefer AJ..
You can't see how he play post flop, I understand that already..I will not choose bluff heavy ranges..You must know what will do this exact field..(good TAGs). How this can be even possible :f_biggrin:!? Hand history I guess..It's very difficult...You need a huge sample...I guess it's a spew....too much bluff..Showdown value...unsuitable hand..I mean you have a lot of bluffs here. Bluff heavy range..A lot of bluffs..You should know something to do that. Which I don't know..The more I talk, the more I don't like it. OTF, OK I guess, but OTT you should prefer check fold..Too much, mate..It's crazy...You are probably bluffing with the better hand OTR. Which is crazy , I think, and should not happen. If you don't have extremely good info..Insane info..
I don't know. I can't justify this. I would like to, but I can't...Ok, you are blocking AK (which is dumb ofc) and KQ...Gutshot OTT, but you will have other more suitable hands..even if you decide to over bluff here...No, just "no"...This is a tilt. Or a "upswing", to much confidence...You should not play like that..


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It's also good to know what you're thoughs was during the hand.
With only 1 over card and 4 outs for a straight you haven't much change to improve you're hand 3 barreling is tricky.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Originally posted by SDK1987
It's also good to know what you're thoughs was during the hand.
With only 1 over card and 4 outs for a straight you haven't much change to improve you're hand 3 barreling is tricky.

Cheers,
SDK1987

You need to look at your own hand and think if having the Ace of Spade and Queen of Heart is good for the bluff. In this case, I shoved first and THEN started doing the calc for the combos because the villain tanked for soooooo long.


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

So many busto draws, it has to be profitable jam all night long.


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

Exactly :f_biggrin:..But you don't have QJ here, but AQ..And about the Ace of Spade, I can't see how this matters. A♠:8♠:, A♠:J♠: (maybe). Only "maybe", two combos...And KQ (for Q♥: ), but this is your kicker, you showdown value. And this matters way more, than blocking KQ..At least in my eyes...Ok, now I see the logic behind this...:f_thumbsup:..One other thing..If you check OTR and he decide to shove, you will have a breakeven call, if he do that with any busted draw..but we never call against this shove. Because...Because it looks dumb. And because he sometime will give up...That's why...


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

Doesnt matter. You almost never win on showdown and if you are lucky enough to be stlil ahead then opponent very likely will jam over you. You will fold a lot of Tx, draw + pair and even some Kx as you represent hand stronger than KJ.


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

You almost never win on showdown

Agree...If he have busted draw, he very often will shove and we can't call. If he have some pair, he will check back, but he probably will fold vs shove...But this "almost never" means 3-4bb profit in such a big pot. What about some other hands? No profit at all, because it is unlikely for him to give up without any showdown value. If you use all this hands for bluff, this are many bluffs. Bluff heavy shove...I mean a lot of bluffs..Without some specific info, I can't see how this can be good...Or maybe you know something. You mean if we bet here like crazy, will be more profitable..If so, we should not play like that for value, will be more profitable..Too much FE..


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

All I can say is, never bluff because bluffing is terrible for your win rate. If you bluff, your opponent will know that you are bluffing and you will be caught with your pants down.


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

I guess this is an irony..But we have here all the busted clubs and spades..And you said this "The villain is a tag who knows things. "..We are not better than him. I can't see him folding Kx, this talking is only to justify the shove. Do what you want to do...But you have here clubs, spades and they are more suitable for shove...How much is your FE here, 60%, how you know that? You don't know..You don't know about his range for 4bet , his range for call, his range for raise OTF and OTT...You only guess..We all do..But using bluff heavy ranges in such situations is not good imo..How can be...


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

No, that's something the Twitch Pro DrUpswing used to say in his streams, and I used to laugh so hard when his bluffs failed.


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

Ok, misunderstanding..Too long already, I talk too much..I just said "targeting a lot of missed draws and TP in the same time is really bad idea imo" Don't use bluff heavy ranges, if you know nothing, especially with a hand with some showdown value. Also we are talking for 3-4 blinds difference, that's I mean when I said "it's very bad, it's a spew". And this is only my opinion, can be wrong..


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NoNameHypo
Joined: 28.04.2023

Q♣:J♣: , A♣:5♣: , A♠:5♠: , Q♠:J♠: , those are good candidates, you can add some other Axs (I don't know your range) , let's say two more combos. As max..This will be "value heavy range" :f_biggrin:..Looks dumb maybe, I know...But if you are aggro, your ranges will be bluff heavy...If you use AJ with Ace of spades (or AQ), will be close to BE for him to Hero call, lets say with Tx ...With Kx there is a value in his call, because of the blocking effect (or not , because of the Queen in your hand)...If you want bluff heavy range (for some reason), then you add some AJ (or all of them) . Or AQ, you see the things different.
The people will call here, Kx for sure, maybe weaker hands as well, Jacks for example, or JT, something like this...
OK, let's say we see the things different and that's why was this "over reaction" I am sorry...Yes , there is a logic behind this play...At this stage I don't know which is better, check with AQ or bet...I mean without Ace of spades will be bad for sure. If you use only Ace of spades (4 combos only) , then OK, we call this "perfect play" and move on...But it's not a "value heavy range" , this "perfect play", you should know that. I mean you don't care if he call , or if he fold, whatever...But no value...If you want some value, you should use only this Q♣:J♣: , A♣:5♣: , A♠:5♠: , Q♠:J♠: and your precious A♠:Q :f_biggrin:


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